Scotchegg
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Neither are true.I was always led To believe life was a minimum 15 years and although the two passengers
Weren’t classed as adults life is still the same sentence as adults.
Neither are true.I was always led To believe life was a minimum 15 years and although the two passengers
Weren’t classed as adults life is still the same sentence as adults.
Thanks for the legal input, in the politest sense, it wasn’t necessary.
I haven’t followed the case in detail so am not aware, nor do I need to know, at what point in the actions of the offenders were the police saying the intent to kill was formed. That is something that I can’t comment on with confidence so I won’t speculate and I’ll leave it there.
My issue was not with the investigation or the decision of the jury, but with the tone of the post by MarkG that to me, was disrespectful to the family and friends of Andrew Harper and I’d say this whoever the victim was. If I misinterpreted his post and it was simply a pragmatic assessment of the facts then so be it.
That’s how I read it, and that was my reaction, if MarkG wanted to come back to me and discuss it further I would’ve gladly done so.
That read like the combination of a presidential campaign speech and a patronising parent mediating between rowing children.Your point was emotional, which is entirely understandable. @MarkG point was to look at the judicial system, which was entirely accurate. I didn't see it as being disrespectful to anyone, but that's often down to the emotions of those involved.
Neither of you are wrong. The justice system must have a heart and reflect the will of the people, but must also be seen to be fair and just. Emotions, whether hateful and vengeful, or compassion and forgiveness (and all inbetween), shouldn't enter into convicting or sentencing or we all lose.
Murder doesn't require the intent to kill. It requires the intent to cause GBH. A common misconception.
I expect the police and CPS felt the intent was formed at the point at which it became very clear to the offenders that PC Harper was being dragged along and they continued on, told the other to turn the radio up or in fact attempted to swing him from side to side more.
Neither are true.
Neither are true.
a) For adults aged 21 years old and over there are 4 starting points:
b) For 18 - 20 year olds there are three starting points:
- a whole life order;
- 30 years;
- 25 years (effective from 2 March 2010); and
- 15 years.
c) For youths there is one 12-year starting point.
- 30 years;
- 25 years (effective from 2 March 2010); and
- 15 years.
In England and Wales, the average life sentence prisoner serves around 15 to 20 years before being paroled, although those convicted of exceptionally grave crimes remain behind bars for considerably longer; Ian Huntley was given a minimum term of 40 years.
Also from the law books as both Longs accomplices were 18
Schedule 21 sets out the basic starting points.
These are for life sentences I can’t conclude whether they’re for Murder only ( which I doubt or whether they are for life sentences that are given and as that can be for a variety of offences I suppose if they’re sentences are indeed increased to life then those above would apply.
One of those jailed for manslaughter is launching an appeal, as is his right under the law. I doubt he expects much sympathy, but also doubt he cares about that.
They were charged with murder and found not guilty of murder.Its fine the lawyers only drained £465k from the public purse first time around defending the indefensible ......
PC Harper widow 'horrified' at killers' reported £465K legal aid costs
Lissie Harper said the amount of public money spent on "defending the indefensible" was unfair.www.bbc.co.uk
They were charged with murder and found not guilty of murder.
So quite clearly it was defensible.
I wouldn't want someone being found guilty of murder just because legal aid wasn't available for them to be defended.
Different jury, different day.
On 20 July, a juror was discharged after a prison officer reported that she had mouthed "bye boys" to the defendants in the courtroom.
So she had not influenced the jury during the trial?
On 24 July, the three defendants were cleared of murder by that very same jury of 11.
Long had pleaded guilty, and Bowers and Cole were found guilty of, manslaughter.
We`ll see what happens with the UDL sentence & Appeals.
Hopefully they will remain in prison for a longer period......... and the public purse will be a lot lighter and several lawyers wealthier.
Should we have sharia law or a kangaroo court like Greece and that Man United player ? Would save “the taxpayer” a lot of money.... because that’s what’s important?
Hope soThere maybe some justice...
Killer of PC Andrew Harper 'should get life sentence'
PC Andrew Harper paid the "ultimate price for his bravery" when he was killed, a court hears.www.bbc.co.uk
I fundamentally disagree that a law should position the life of policemen as more important than that of civilians. Feels really horrendous, to be honest and i can't believe a government is giving it the time of day
Here hereEmergency service workers - those folk who go towards danger while the rest of us are, generally, going the other way.
Emergency service workers - those folk who go towards danger while the rest of us are, generally, going the other way.