Away Match Day Thread 13/03/2021 L1 Hull City v OUFC

[Eaststanding]

The only time we looked capable of getting a result was when it was 0-0 as soon as their goal went in their was only one winner. Hull should of been 3-0 up at half time. We had chances but they had better ones.

Even at swindon it took a lucky 2 deflections and a bit of brilliance from Agyei to beat the worst swindon side I've ever seen. We are better defensively compared to the start of the season but offensively has massively dropped off .

That’s your opinion and with the added benefit of post match hindsight. If we’d continue to create chances in that game yesterday, we didn’t, then who knows if we would’ve scored a couple of them. Even at 1-0, a lucky strike that went through Forde’s legs, we were still in the game, to write us off at 25 odd minutes played and 1-0 down is defeatist in the extreme.

 

[OX14]

You are right defensively we are as good as anyone on our day . Has an attacking midfield and forward line we are a bottom half team hence in the middle and haven't beat a top 6 team . Will that change tuesday and Friday ?

Tuesday and Saturday are a good indication of where we are, 6 points we are back in the mix for the play offs, 4 points playoffs still achievable, 3 points or lower and we going to end up mid table .

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

The only time we looked capable of getting a result was when it was 0-0 as soon as their goal went in their was only one winner. Hull should of been 3-0 up at half time. We had chances but they had better ones.

Even at swindon it took a lucky 2 deflections and a bit of brilliance from Agyei to beat the worst swindon side I've ever seen. We are better defensively compared to the start of the season but offensively has massively dropped off .

So Sykes who forced a great save and a more composed Brannigan does better with the follow up ....at 1-0 down no ?
And what about their lucky deflection for the 2nd ?
Can't have it only one way.

 

[Bigfella72]

Tuesday and Saturday are a good indication of where we are, 6 points we are back in the mix for the play offs, 4 points playoffs still achievable, 3 points or lower and we going to end up mid table .

So 4 points playoffs possible, 3 points mid table? It’s gonna be real tight from 6th to 12th then

 

[curransleftboot]

I do wonder what game some folk watch at times.
We created 6 or 7 chances before they even got in our half.
Dan was looking like a real centre forward and Sykes was playing well and being a proper nuisance.
They got a chance and took it well.
Their second was a horrible deflection and knocked the stuffing out of the team mentally and physically.
At 1-0 we were still in it.

Go again Tuesday...... still a race in this table and points to be had!

Agree with that BUT after the first 10 or 15 minutes when Hull had sussed us out did we really ever look like scoring - and that is the problem. I do like the new fast approach with Agyei - but it fizzled out when they worked us out - must try harder, but early days with this approach so fingers crossed (IF KR persists with it).

 

[Manorlounger]

Agree with that BUT after the first 10 or 15 minutes when Hull had sussed us out did we really ever look like scoring - and that is the problem. I do like the new fast approach with Agyei - but it fizzled out when they worked us out - must try harder, but early days with this approach so fingers crossed (IF KR persists with it).

Playing Dan up front is a good step but, much like Matty, he needs a supply of decent passes to his feet or, if at his head then someone else needs to be running onto the lay off following his control of the ball (If he controls it)
Matty needs crosses into the box where he can receive, turn and fire away.
If none of those options are happening, as is the case at the moment, then neither are going to score. Presently, Dan has the better options as he is a strong and fast player but that takes energy and he won't last the 90. Watching Matt go hunting the ball outside of the box is ridiculous as if he gets the ball, who is he going to pass to? There will be no-one there for him. Frustration then boils over and he gets into trouble fouling and then talking back to the ref.
We need a midfield of good passers and a willingness to run at defenders and run off defenders. Cross field hoofs to wingers isn't using the midfield.
It's often said on here that other teams have sussed out how limited tactically we are and set themselves up accordingly. The stats go some way to prove this. Possession yesterday 37% to 63% suggesting that we ought to have done better?

 

[horseman]

Cam has got into good positions but his shooting has been woeful. With regards willingness of Midfielders what needs addressing is if the central pair (mainly Moore) are seeking diagonal balls the same happens when they give it to Cam in general.
The lack of movement going forward 2nd half was a concern, the number of times we just ran into one of theirs or down a proverbial blind alley was a worry.

As i've said many times, teams in this league are all capable of beating one another so there will be many twists and turns ahead, we just have to make sure our turns are forwards rather than backwards or sideways.

How many times when we have a free kick just inside our half do we pass it 1 yard to then pass back to 1 of the central pairing.

 

[bazzer9461]

Tuesday and Saturday are a good indication of where we are, 6 points we are back in the mix for the play offs, 4 points playoffs still achievable, 3 points or lower and we going to end up mid table .

But if Doncaster, Ipswich, Pompey and Charlton also get 6 points then we are no further forward, it’s all ifs and buts, yes we need 6 points from the next two games and the 4 teams above is to lose those next 2 games then yes we are back in it, but only if......

 

[ZeroTheHero]

The stats go some way to prove this. Possession yesterday 37% to 63% suggesting that we ought to have done better?

Not for me. Possession stats are almost meaningless. If you spend ages passing the ball back and forth around the defence, then to the midfield, back again, then to the keeper, who rolls it back out again etc etc you can get the possession stats up quite easily. But it is quite possibly the least threatening type of football ever, and unless you then back that up with doing something positive with the ball the only benefit is to the manager who can point at the stats and claim their team 'had control' of the game.

This isn't a dig at KR in particular - the vast majority of managers do it.

 

[MC Yellow]

But if Doncaster, Ipswich, Pompey and Charlton also get 6 points then we are no further forward, it’s all ifs and buts, yes we need 6 points from the next two games and the 4 teams above is to lose those next 2 games then yes we are back in it, but only if......

Our Tuesday game is Doncaster Bazzer . We can’t both get 6 points out of the next 2.

Pompey and Ipswich also playing each other.

 

[bazzer9461]

Our Tuesday game is Doncaster Bazzer . We can’t both get 6 points out of the next 2.

True but we have to win and hope the other 3 teams lose and 2 of those 4 lose in Saturday neither the other two drawing.

 

[Oufcrealist]

Playing Dan up front is a good step but, much like Matty, he needs a supply of decent passes to his feet or, if at his head then someone else needs to be running onto the lay off following his control of the ball (If he controls it)
Matty needs crosses into the box where he can receive, turn and fire away.
If none of those options are happening, as is the case at the moment, then neither are going to score. Presently, Dan has the better options as he is a strong and fast player but that takes energy and he won't last the 90. Watching Matt go hunting the ball outside of the box is ridiculous as if he gets the ball, who is he going to pass to? There will be no-one there for him. Frustration then boils over and he gets into trouble fouling and then talking back to the ref.
We need a midfield of good passers and a willingness to run at defenders and run off defenders. Cross field hoofs to wingers isn't using the midfield.
It's often said on here that other teams have sussed out how limited tactically we are and set themselves up accordingly. The stats go some way to prove this. Possession yesterday 37% to 63% suggesting that we ought to have done better?

80% of that possession was in our own half.
Stats are meaningless in that context.
Creating and scoring the chances made are the only ones that really matter.

 

[Canterbury exile]

Which ones?

Yours for one..as is often the case after a defeat

 

[Manorlounger]

Not for me. Possession stats are almost meaningless. If you spend ages passing the ball back and forth around the defence, then to the midfield, back again, then to the keeper, who rolls it back out again etc etc you can get the possession stats up quite easily. But it is quite possibly the least threatening of football ever, and unless you then back that up with doing something positive with the ball the only benefit is to the manager who can point at the stats and claim their team 'had control' of the game.

This isn't a dig at KR in particular - the vast majority of managers do it.

This is exactly what I was suggesting though. With KR claiming that we were the better team and yet we lost making that point.
The stats for possession mean nothing if you do nothing with the ball.
Hull, yesterday showed how the stats mean nothing unless its the numbers in the goals for and against column.

 

[OX14]

True but we have to win and hope the other 3 teams lose and 2 of those 4 lose in Saturday neither the other two drawing.

Win the next 2 games and we are in with a shout even without taking other teams results in to account. But if we do beat Donny it will be the first team we have beaten that are in the top 7 all season. So could be just what is needed.

 

[Manorlounger]

Yours for one..as is often the case after a defeat

So, discussing the reasons for defeat is not welcome then? Odd sort of forum.

 

[Berliner]

This is exactly what I was suggesting though. With KR claiming that we were the better team and yet we lost making that point.
The stats for possession mean nothing if you do nothing with the ball.
Hull, yesterday showed how the stats mean nothing unless its the numbers in the goals for and against column.

Did he really claim that? Needs a trip to Specsavers if so...

 

[Manorlounger]

Did he really claim that? Needs a trip to Specsavers if so...

Not once but twice. Post match interview as broadcast on Radox and again on the club site.
32 minutes into the program:

BBC Radio Oxford Sport: Extra Time - Wasn't At The Game (13/03/2021) - BBC Sounds

Robyn Cowen and her guests discuss Hull City's game against Oxford United.

www.bbc.co.uk

And, if you are a subscriber to iFollow the club website has Chris Williams interviewing KR.

 

[The mighty Aldo]

Now that Mcguane has gone back to his club are we allowed a replacement loan, or do we have to find somebody out of contract?

Can we get Clare back?

 

[OX14]

Can we get Clare back?

No can't be recalled to the summer.