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Essexyellows said:
Saw a nice safe solution elsewhere.............

"Once a day run a dedicated ferry to bring them over safely, get them into suitable accommodation, assess their claims, and as part of the same scheme return failed applicants to France. Put the people smugglers out of business."

Yep, too simple to work.
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Then train them as HGV drivers, you can see the headlines Boris saves Xmas. But not until 2023.
 
Essexyellows said:
Saw a nice safe solution elsewhere.............

"Once a day run a dedicated ferry to bring them over safely, get them into suitable accommodation, assess their claims, and as part of the same scheme return failed applicants to France. Put the people smugglers out of business."

Yep, too simple to work.
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If the country acted this way, we could play by our rules rather than someone else’s.
 
38yearsofpain said:
Then train them as HGV drivers, you can see the headlines Boris saves Xmas. But not until 2023.
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some of them may already be, and just need to pass license here. Or skilled in other areas that we need. But that doesn't appear to be a consideration in the way we treat them at the moment.
 
OUFCGav said:
some of them may already be, and just need to pass license here. Or skilled in other areas that we need. But that doesn't appear to be a consideration in the way we treat them at the moment.
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Hence doing a proper assessment at some point, on either side of the Channel and offering a legitimate/managed way in.
As it currently stands the French are making their lives very uncomfortable, they risk death crossing the Channel then the possibility of "falling off the radar" and many of them being exploited in the UK.
Whichever way you look at the current situation it's a clusterfuck and people are dying.
 
Essexyellows said:
Hence doing a proper assessment at some point, on either side of the Channel and offering a legitimate/managed way in.
As it currently stands the French are making their lives very uncomfortable, they risk death crossing the Channel then the possibility of "falling off the radar" and many of them being exploited in the UK.
Whichever way you look at the current situation it's a clusterfuck and people are dying.
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It's what you get when you deem people illegal without actual reason. People's lives are collateral damage for those politicking with things like "hostile environment". It's easy to demonise others for your own failings.
 
Because of the fast currents in the channel and no checks on who leaves France, there’s a high possibility many have already died unnoticed and washed out to sea without trace.
 
Oslernorth said:
Because of the fast currents in the channel and no checks on who leaves France, there’s a high possibility many have already died unnoticed and washed out to sea without trace.
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Yep, you are probably right. Despite the Channel being one of the worlds busiest shipping lanes, it is still entirely possible many are lost without trace.

Which makes an even bigger mockery of stopping people saving those that could possibly be saved. . . .we're probably talking miniscule numbers.

Just imagine if you saw someone collapse and you knew they needed CPR or a zap from the Defib, handily positioned just down the road. But you couldn't use it because they were an illegal alien and the only course of action was to call 99 and wait 3 hours for an Ambulance to arrive, whilst you watch them die.

And Bravo to @OUFCGav for you post above. Nail hit squarely on the head. I fear however it will be a point lost on those who lack any discernible compassion. And especially on a government who think being strong equates to being arseholes.
 
OUFCGav said:
It's what you get when you deem people illegal without actual reason. People's lives are collateral damage for those politicking with things like "hostile environment". It's easy to demonise others for your own failings.
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A valid point regarding language, however, if they are partaking in an illegal activity (people trafficking) then they are very unlikely to be legal migrants.

There should be a system in place that A; Puts the traffickers out of business. B; Safely transports those wishing to enter the UK. C: Checks their legitimacy.

And there is far more hostility on the other side of the channel, hence people wishing to come here to a more tolerant society, however they need to "join our system" legitimately.

www.bbc.co.uk

Inside Dunkirk's new migrant camp

Last week French police officers evicted up to 1,500 people from a camp in Dunkirk.
www.bbc.co.uk


And this is the flipside - articulate, educated financially "able" and in his words "went from the hands of one dictator to another".........

www.bbc.co.uk

One migrant’s year-long attempt to cross the Channel

The BBC followed Iranian migrant Alex, as he tried to cross from France to the UK with a smuggler.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Essexyellows said:
A valid point regarding language, however, if they are partaking in an illegal activity (people trafficking) then they are very unlikely to be legal migrants.

There should be a system in place that A; Puts the traffickers out of business. B; Safely transports those wishing to enter the UK. C: Checks their legitimacy.

And there is far more hostility on the other side of the channel, hence people wishing to come here to a more tolerant society, however they need to "join our system" legitimately.

www.bbc.co.uk

Inside Dunkirk's new migrant camp

Last week French police officers evicted up to 1,500 people from a camp in Dunkirk.
www.bbc.co.uk


And this is the flipside - articulate, educated financially "able" and in his words "went from the hands of one dictator to another".........

www.bbc.co.uk

One migrant’s year-long attempt to cross the Channel

The BBC followed Iranian migrant Alex, as he tried to cross from France to the UK with a smuggler.
www.bbc.co.uk
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refugees will be trying whatever they can, judging how they get here - and there is massive assumption that traffickers are involved in all the small boats, again its a handy demon without the actual evidence - as proof of what type of migrant they are is a false position.

Yet for all the 'hostility' on the other side of the channel they accept more refugees than we do every year.

re ""join our system" legitimately." - a legitimate system involving say staying in danger in Afghanistan and applying from there? People with links to the British forces were left to fend for themselves and make their own arrangements on the whole.
 

MSN

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It looks like more curbs on protesting incoming with a late amendment to the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill being put forward. This is on top of the already controversial and very subjective clause about being harassed/offended by protestors etc through noise. People will be able to be searched "without suspicion" for having something to "lock on" with. The amendment also wants to make "locking on" illegal and banning people from particular protests even when they haven't committed an offence.

The legislation has already had a vote in the House of Commons without this amendment but they've stuck it in afterwards when it is going to the House of Lords, nothing like disregarding the process.

So yet another attack on civil liberties and the right to protest. There is already legal redress for locking on etc as has been shown with Insulate Britain under existing legislation but no, lets attack civil liberties under the pretense of "protecting the public".

Ken Clarke has this right with the above steps just the next move:

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OUFCGav said:
refugees will be trying whatever they can, judging how they get here - and there is massive assumption that traffickers are involved in all the small boats, again its a handy demon without the actual evidence - as proof of what type of migrant they are is a false position.

Yet for all the 'hostility' on the other side of the channel they accept more refugees than we do every year.

re ""join our system" legitimately." - a legitimate system involving say staying in danger in Afghanistan and applying from there? People with links to the British forces were left to fend for themselves and make their own arrangements on the whole.
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The trafficking aspect comes from the very people that are being rescued and as reported by the Beeb with a consistent 3-4,000 euro cost per person. I`ve yet to see a report saying the people bought their own boat and went for it.

If they bin all their paperwork then how are we to know what sort of migrant they are? If they are coming through illicit channels then its pretty safe to say they are "bending the rules" in their favour.

IIRC Operation Pitting evacuated 15,000 folk from Afghan without many issues, barring the speed of the Taliban takeover they would have got more out but it became unsafe to do so.
 
On the plus side, we should be eternally grateful to Jodie Whittaker for single handedly stopping the young female crime wave that was sweeping the UK before she became The Doctor.

A series of strong female (make believe) role models was all it took.

Quick, someone tell the Prittster [emoji1787]
 
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