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[Essexyellows]

Know any reason why your bucking the downward trend across the rest of the uk.

Same reasons we have been league leaders for most of the pandemic.
Multi-generational households, poor hygiene, cultural issues, vaccine hesitancy ( we are only on 64% or so).

As far as trends go we are heading in the right direction just very, very slowly.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Leicester

 

[Oxymoron]

The day on day increases in all the given areas is most definitely a downward trend - albeit three days....

 

[QR]

World-beating. Oh no wait.

 

[Oxt1]

World-beating. Oh no wait.

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It's not a world beating vaccination program because we have fewer vaccinations in an age group we are not routinely vaccinating?

 

[QR]

It's not a world beating vaccination program because we have fewer vaccinations in an age group we are not routinely vaccinating?

Not world leading then either.

We're struggling to vaccinate 18 to 30 year olds, many of whom, have been sent back to work in hospitality, who have subsequently caught Covid and then had to wait 4 weeks before they can have the jab. Add that to the antivax morons and the supply problems some chemists are reporting and you start to see that when you are relying on the government to have a holistic plan rather than the NHS and an army of volunteers to roll up its (and our) collective sleaves things start going awry.

 

[Oxt1]

Not world leading then either.

We're struggling to vaccinate 18 to 30 year olds, many of whom, have been sent back to work in hospitality, who have subsequently caught Covid and then had to wait 4 weeks before they can have the jab. Add that to the antivax morons and the supply problems some chemists are reporting and you start to see that when you are relying on the government to have a holistic plan rather than the NHS and an army of volunteers to roll up its (and our) collective sleaves things start going awry.

Was commenting on the absurdity of drawing a conclusion from that graph, as we are not presently vaccinating that age range because the JCVI (a group of scientists) have deemed the risk of the vaccine out weighs any potential benefits to them. So it has zero relevance on how world beating/leading or not our vaccine drive may or may not be, you may as well have a graph on the number of cats vaccinated because we are not vaccinating them either.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Was commenting on the absurdity of drawing a conclusion from that graph, as we are not presently vaccinating that age range because the JCVI (a group of scientists) have deemed the risk of the vaccine out weighs any potential benefits to them. So it has zero relevance on how world beating/leading or not our vaccine drive may or may not be, you may as well have a graph on the number of cats vaccinated because we are not vaccinating them either.

Yes you're right there, we haven't been aiming to vaccinate kids. Looks like the idea is now to start doing so, which makes sense as they are the generation that is most out and about and most likely to keep the virus spreading.

 

[Essexyellows]

Was commenting on the absurdity of drawing a conclusion from that graph, as we are not presently vaccinating that age range because the JCVI (a group of scientists) have deemed the risk of the vaccine out weighs any potential benefits to them. So it has zero relevance on how world beating/leading or not our vaccine drive may or may not be, you may as well have a graph on the number of cats vaccinated because we are not vaccinating them either.

Don`t be hitting @QR with factual points.

They scraped a lot of barrels to find that graph.

88.7% First dose.
73.2% Second dose.

Depending on the timing of the second dose depends how you count someone as "fully vaccinated".

If you are over 12 and live with, or are yourself, a person of high risk you can already get jabbed.

Currently they can only have Pfizer although Janssen could get approved for under 18`s as well and is single shot which will make the numbers fly.

 

[QR]

Was commenting on the absurdity of drawing a conclusion from that graph, as we are not presently vaccinating that age range because the JCVI (a group of scientists) have deemed the risk of the vaccine out weighs any potential benefits to them. So it has zero relevance on how world beating/leading or not our vaccine drive may or may not be, you may as well have a graph on the number of cats vaccinated because we are not vaccinating them either.

And when individual European countries were 'slow' in comparison with the UK in approving vaccines the EU were the inefficient, bureaucratic laggards. Just saying.

 

[Oxt1]

And when individual European countries were 'slow' in comparison with the UK in approving vaccines the EU were the inefficient, bureaucratic laggards. Just saying.

You like to take 2 unrelated things and conflate them into a flawed argument, failure to quickly approve vaccines due to bureaucracy and a science led decision to not vaccinate youngsters are not the same thing.

 

[QR]

You like to take 2 unrelated things and conflate them into a flawed argument, failure to quickly approve vaccines due to bureaucracy and a science led decision to not vaccinate youngsters are not the same thing.

Due to bureaucracy or science lead decisions reached only when each individual country had met their own independent criteria threshold?

You're dissing sovereignty in action now!

 

[Essexyellows]

Due to bureaucracy or science lead decisions reached only when each individual country had met their own independent criteria threshold?

You're dissing sovereignty in action now!

It`s not as simple with under 18`s as they are still developing physiologically, us old folk are substantially "easier".
The benefit has to outweigh the risk and how that benefit/risk is quantified is tricky.

JCVI statement on COVID-19 vaccination of children and young people aged 12 to 17 years: 15 July 2021

www.gov.uk

 

[QR]

It`s not as simple with under 18`s as they are still developing physiologically, us old folk are substantially "easier".
The benefit has to outweigh the risk and how that benefit/risk is quantified is tricky.

JCVI statement on COVID-19 vaccination of children and young people aged 12 to 17 years: 15 July 2021

www.gov.uk

Yes I agree it's not an easy call but I get pissed off with this 'when the UK is ahead/quickest it's doing the right thing, when it's behind/slowest it's doing the right thing' unquestioning attitude of some.

 

[Oxt1]

Yes I agree it's not an esay call but I get pissed off with this 'when the UK is ahead/quickest it's doing the right thing, when it's behind/slowest it's doing the right thing' unquestioning attitude of some.

At the start during a pandemic when nobody is vaccinated speed is important as vaccinating lots of people is the way to start to get a grip on the situation, compared to much later on when you are looking at a low risk group (u18s) who were not represented in trials so there is initially little data to base a decision on, so you go slower until you have some data to base a decision on! And to be fair I don't think I've seen anybody on here say that other countries are wrong for vaccinating children or we are right for not.

 

[SteMerritt]

More importantly, just how many cats HAVE been vaccinated? Nobody is reporting this. Government cover-up if you ask meow.

 

[TL@69]

More importantly, just how many cats HAVE been vaccinated? Nobody is reporting this. Government cover-up if you ask meow.

Only a few fat ones.

 

[Essexyellows]

Yes I agree it's not an easy call but I get pissed off with this 'when the UK is ahead/quickest it's doing the right thing, when it's behind/slowest it's doing the right thing' unquestioning attitude of some.

When you are vaccinating 66+ million folks you go for the big wins first.
Across differing nations, there will be a differing population dynamic by age, overall health, ethnicity etc.
So Germany may have started on young folk sooner, hence the higher numbers, but could still be lagging on the "herd".
Our "world-leading bit" was getting the "herd" done by age & vulnerability while other were dithering.

 

[SteMerritt]

When you are vaccinating 66+ million folks you go for the big wins first.
Across differing nations, there will be a differing population dynamic by age, overall health, ethnicity etc.
So Germany may have started on young folk sooner, hence the higher numbers, but could still be lagging on the "herd".
Our "world-leading bit" was getting the "herd" done by age & vulnerability while other were dithering.

Were we ever 'world-leading' though? Israel thumped us didn't they? Or is it just that 'second-best in the world' doesn't sound good enough for the hype machine? (despite it being bloody good - one of the government's rare successes alongside the Furlough scheme)

 

[TL@69]

Israel had 3 weeks between jabs. They are now finding that although the protection level remains high, the ability NOT to transmit drops of rapidly after a few months. This is not the case when jabs are between 8 to12 weeks apart.

 

[SteMerritt]

Israel had 3 weeks between jabs. They are now finding that although the protection level remains high, the ability NOT to transmit drops of rapidly after a few months. This is not the case when jabs are between 8 to12 weeks apart.

Interesting. Do you have some links on that?