Ex Player #11 Joey Beauchamp RIP

Essexyellows said:
As part of the day job many coroners' cases cross my desk and I also find the local rags reporting both ghoulish and disrespectful to those who could not see any other way out of their problems and their friends and family who are grieving and wondering "why?".

Talk to someone, you are not alone and everything can find a resolution.

On a slightly more positive note, one of the bars at the Oxford stadium will be named "Joeys" in his honour.
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Oxford Stadium (as in the Greyhound Stadium)?
 
Mad dog87 said:
But the cause of death is not really anybody’s business is it, other than Joey’s family.

It’s insensitive to publish such information
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I disagree.

Whether it's slightly ghoulish or not I think the public have an interest in a relatively young persons unexplained and untimely passing, especially someone of Joey's profile.. Apart from the obvious immediate sorrow my first thought when I heard about Joey was, what's happened ? Car accident ? Very short illness similar to the one that took Mickey Lewis's life ? Suicide ? Rightly or wrongly, there was an intrigue and I'm not ashamed to say I will read any future news articles giving further insight.

When, say, George Michael (for want of thinking of someone high profile) died did you just look at the headline 'George Michael dead' and leave it at that ? According to you, any further information is irrelevant to the public so I'm assuming you didn't read on ? Gary Speed ? You had no interest in his cause of death or what drove him to it or the seemingly very normal way he behaved in the hours before ?

I think you're likely to be in a minority of a handful.
 
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dickwalton1964 said:
I disagree.

Whether it's slightly ghoulish or not I think the public have an interest in a relatively young persons unexplained and untimely passing, especially someone of Joey's profile.. Apart from the obvious immediate sorrow my first thought when I heard about Joey was, what's happened ? Car accident ? Very short illness similar to the one that took Mickey Lewis's life ? Suicide ? Rightly or wrongly, there was an intrigue and I'm not ashamed to say I will read any future news articles giving further insight.

When, say, George Michael (for want of thinking of someone high profile) died did you just look at the headline 'George Michael dead' and leave it at that ? According to you, any further information is irrelevant to the public so I'm assuming you didn't read on ? Gary Speed ? You had no interest in his cause of death or what drove him to it or the seemingly very normal way he behaved in the hours before ?

I think you're likely to be in a minority of a handful.
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How very insensitive of you.

God forbid you ever lose a close family member in such tragic circumstances, and then have to see the specific details of the incident printed on news websites, for anyone to see.

It was clear from the start what had happened, nobody outside of Joeys inner circle of family and friends needed to know any more than that.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
I disagree.

Whether it's slightly ghoulish or not I think the public have an interest in a relatively young persons unexplained and untimely passing, especially someone of Joey's profile.. Apart from the obvious immediate sorrow my first thought when I heard about Joey was, what's happened ? Car accident ? Very short illness similar to the one that took Mickey Lewis's life ? Suicide ? Rightly or wrongly, there was an intrigue and I'm not ashamed to say I will read any future news articles giving further insight.

When, say, George Michael (for want of thinking of someone high profile) died did you just look at the headline 'George Michael dead' and leave it at that ? According to you, any further information is irrelevant to the public so I'm assuming you didn't read on ? Gary Speed ? You had no interest in his cause of death or what drove him to it or the seemingly very normal way he behaved in the hours before ?

I think you're likely to be in a minority of a handful.
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The guidelines mentioned are about appropriate and sensitive reporting, not about pandering to your curiosity. I've seen quite a lot of cases in the last year or so where details of the death of a relatively young person haven't been given - in many cases I imagine it was due to suicide.
 
Mad dog87 said:
How very insensitive of you.

God forbid you ever lose a close family member in such tragic circumstances, and then have to see the specific details of the incident printed on news websites, for anyone to see.

It was clear from the start what had happened, nobody outside of Joeys inner circle of family and friends needed to know any more than that.
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No, I don't think I am being insensitive - I'm being honest. You left a few points I raised unanswered.

As for me personally, I had first hand experience of a very upsetting suicide way back in 1973 when I was 9. To this day, the circumstances still intrigue me and only a fortnight ago me and my 84 year old mum rolled back the years and pondered the whys, why nots and if onlys behind that particular tragedy. I was only 9 so I can't really say I'm speaking from huge experience but nevertheless me and my family have lived with the shadow for nigh on 50 years now.
 
Mad dog87 said:
How very insensitive of you.

God forbid you ever lose a close family member in such tragic circumstances, and then have to see the specific details of the incident printed on news websites, for anyone to see.

It was clear from the start what had happened, nobody outside of Joeys inner circle of family and friends needed to know any more than that.
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Our loss as a family wasn't obviously as high profile as a footballer, local celebrity, but the circumstances (which aren't for a football forum) were riddled with mystery and the inquest and whole sorry saga was ongoing in the local press and it forced us to uproot and move away from the immediate area. Suicide isn't a competition though and of course the Beauchamp family deserve every bit of sympathy and sensitivity going but I think it's slightly naive of you to think that there wont be public interest into the circumstances behind Joeys demise. I don't think that makes me, or any other interested party, insensitive.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
No, I don't think I am being insensitive - I'm being honest. You left a few points I raised unanswered.

As for me personally, I had first hand experience of a very upsetting suicide way back in 1973 when I was 9. To this day, the circumstances still intrigue me and only a fortnight ago me and my 84 year old mum rolled back the years and pondered the whys, why nots and if onlys behind that particular tragedy. I was only 9 so I can't really say I'm speaking from huge experience but nevertheless me and my family have lived with the shadow for nigh on 50 years now.
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As far as I understand it, the main outcome from reporting suicides in the factual manner that you want, is an increase in the suicide rate. It doesn't help, and is positively harmful for some people. It is simply not worth it just to satisfy peoples' "intrigue" about other peoples' private matters.
 
Intrigue and interest doesn’t give anybody a right to know anything and public interest needs to be strongly justified. Intrigue is not one of those.

I’m all for freedom of expression and speech and have bored folks on here before many a time. There is nothing in this where those cornerstones are at risk.

I’m intrigued to know your deepest darkest fetish @dickwalton1964. I don’t have a right to know it
 
chuckbert said:
As far as I understand it, the main outcome from reporting suicides in the factual manner that you want, is an increase in the suicide rate. It doesn't help, and is positively harmful for some people. It is simply not worth it just to satisfy peoples' "intrigue" about other peoples' private matters.
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That's fair enough. However, would you read an article that gave more depth into the circumstances surrounding Joey taking his own life ? This is perhaps where there's an imbalance between hypocrisy and curiosity.
 
Ricky Otto said:
Intrigue and interest doesn’t give anybody a right to know anything and public interest needs to be strongly justified. Intrigue is not one of those.

I’m all for freedom of expression and speech and have bored folks on here before many a time. There is nothing in this where those cornerstones are at risk.

I’m intrigued to know your deepest darkest fetish @dickwalton1964. I don’t have a right to know it
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And I don't sit here morbidly awaiting the finer details of a suicide but I can understand the public wanting to find out more. If a person is raped and murdered should the reporting just be left at 'murdered' ? Going by your logic we don't need to know anything more and there should be no public interest in what befell the victim.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
No, I don't think I am being insensitive - I'm being honest. You left a few points I raised unanswered.

As for me personally, I had first hand experience of a very upsetting suicide way back in 1973 when I was 9. To this day, the circumstances still intrigue me and only a fortnight ago me and my 84 year old mum rolled back the years and pondered the whys, why nots and if onlys behind that particular tragedy. I was only 9 so I can't really say I'm speaking from huge experience but nevertheless me and my family have lived with the shadow for nigh on 50 years now.
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That is an extremely unfortunate situation, and I’m sorry for yours and your family’s loss.

However, I’ve lost 4 friends to suicide in the last 12 years, all of which were devastating, and even though it was common knowledge that they had taken their own lives, their families did not want the specific details becoming public knowledge.

The suicide of one of those friends was reported in the local newspaper at the time, 2 weeks later, and the specific details WERE published, and I know for a fact that it devastated his wife and parents.

Just because it becomes public knowledge that someone has sadly taken their own life, it doesn’t mean that anyone outside of their immediate friends and family should be told the specifics of how they did it, or why.
 
I get both sides of this argument. I haven't read the article, I don't want to know any more than I currently do. That's my personal choice. The Samaritans article posted earlier by Mark G was an enlightening read, if you haven't taken a look I suggest you spend a few minutes reading it.
 
Unfortunately it goes with the territory, if you're famous at any sort of level then this will come out in "the public interest" because it is news...no matter how morbid it may be. If Michael Hutchence and David Carradine were bin men, then their deaths would have been a two-liner in a local newspaper, if that.

Not saying it's right, but I do "get it".
 
I think it is disgusting that the information is in the public domain, regardless of the appetite from some to know.

At the end of this, he has two young daughters, who now will spend some of their childhood on the end of snide and disrespectful comments made to them from young people - in a world where children can be horribly insensitive and spiteful. Sad that the media don't think of the consequences of their actions and reporting.
 
I find it odd that both the BBC and Oxford Mail chose to report the method of death.
Though the OM have now changed their original headline, the front page of their site still has the original one.

I've noticed a lot that most UK news reports, particularly the BBC entertainment sites, will report the death of someone young and famous [by suicide] without going into the details and just saying "no suspicious circumstances", presumably following that Samaritans guidance. International media generally don't seem to care.

There are some things that we don't need to know, and that the public can and should be protected from.
 
I completely agree with you Mark.
I know friends who were very close to Joey‘s family and wanted to cling on to happy memories they had when he attended birthday cards. We don’t know the reasons for what has happened and this will have caused a lot of upset to so many people.
I just hope the family can now be give time to grieve and poor Joey can be allowed to rest in peace.
 
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