New Stadium Plans - The Triangle - Planning

Billyox said:
Of course, I sent mine in , the trouble is they are the experts they have probably thought of every idea going
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I'd have to say no, they haven't. The planners are not the club. They are working with a remit from the club producing the plans that are on exhibition now but, these are the lacking the final touches needed to make it our stadium and for the whole project to do what we have wanted for so long. Think of moving into a new build house, it's all there but has no personal character. We get to choose (to a degree) what will finish the job.
Hence why the planners are so keen for our input.
Mrs L and myself had loads to say to the planners and they listened, discussed and were pleased to take notes. Don't wait for that first game to say "but I wanted this and that" it will be too late.
 
Manorlounger said:
I'd have to say no, they haven't. The planners are not the club. They are working with a remit from the club producing the plans that are on exhibition now but, these are the lacking the final touches needed to make it our stadium and for the whole project to do what we have wanted for so long. Think of moving into a new build house, it's all there but has no personal character. We get to choose (to a degree) what will finish the job.
Hence why the planners are so keen for our input.
Mrs L and myself had loads to say to the planners and they listened, discussed and were pleased to take notes. Don't wait for that first game to say "but I wanted this and that" it will be too late.
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I mean on the bridge,/underpass after all that's what they are paid to do
On the cosmetic front of course they don't know what fans want
 
Attended a meeting with the Project Team today alongside other members of the Supporters Panel. I took some notes and will be able to answer those that asked specific questions when I get a moment. But @OUSP Secretary will kindly collate everything in a newsletter to come out next week which should give a more comprehensive overview.

The Project Team are really open to feedback, both positive and negative. As a Panel we didn't hold back about raising issues regarding the negative press that has come as a result of road closures, and how this has given the anti's some unnecessary ammunition. Equally, the fact that the club stated that capacity events would take place twice a week which fueled Middleton banging on about 104 days a year rather than the 40 events it is likely to be (and this includes Women's games which will be significantly below capacity, but with the hope to increase over time).

They owned some of the mistakes in the presentation and listened to ways that we can address these in the future. And they were also honest about the challenges that arise from building on Green Belt. But no stone will be left unturned in ensuring that the stadium gets planning approval, is built on schedule, and becomes the stadium that is the benchmark for all future stadium.

It already feels like this will be a stadium that meets the needs of everyone, but it is really important that everyone shares their views. The public exhibition is open for another week, so please do attend if you can (there were really good numbers going through today). But if you are unable to attend in person, please do look on the stadium website and complete your comments in the section provided. Positive and negative views, and everything in between are all valuable, and there is a team of people reviewing every comment and summarising these for the Project Team, so please make your voices heard.

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OUFCwaffle said:
That is how you cause a crush by funnelling thousands of people through a small gap. Think about what will happen if the people at the front of the queue need to stop for a red light. Everyone behind will still be pushing forward so they will just spill out on to the road and possibly cause an accident.

Thinking about it, for this very reason we will probably not see a bridge or an underpass. Traffic restrictions will be the safest and quickest way to get everyone out of the ground after games.

That said I don't think there's any good reason to close the roads before games since there won't be a huge influx of people, they will arrive in drips and drabs so can cross safely at the crossing points.
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I can sort of see your point regarding lights at crossings ( but am not convinced that bottle necks cannot be avoided by better planning/flow management en route from the stadium) and do agree that taking a lot of people up and down steps to use a bridge is a potential risk, but a wide underpass would avoid both of these issues.

It would also be a justifiable addition to the housing estate when built and also more likely to be used than a footbridge (which I always sense people largely cannot be bothered with)

I think, keeping the road open is important for a number of reasons:
1 - politically/ diplomatically the optics of doing so are clear in terms of goodwill. For many locally it is about the perception of disruption more than how it may turn out eventually
2 - it will maintain non football traffic along that stretch, including to and from the parkway+ p&R, yet minimise disruption.
3 - it will reduce the bottleneck of everyone exiting the car park in one long line (kassam overflow anyone?) and filter onto a single roundabout
4 - it will enable traffic to approach/depart to the north, rather than circumnavigate three sides of the site, thus also aiding quicker dispersal of volume away from the site.
5 -it will reduce the risk of chaos should the pear tree junction experience an issue.

I think overall it is worth it
 
I went today. It was very good and some interesting discussions with a couple of the project team.
One couple came in and their first comments were that they were against the stadium. Their main gripe seemed to be traffic, but they were there a while and one if the project team spent a long time explaining it. Fair play for them going along and discussing their problems ( rather than the Middleton approach)
 
Foley said:
I went today. It was very good and some interesting discussions with a couple of the project team.
One couple came in and their first comments were that they were against the stadium. Their main gripe seemed to be traffic, but they were there a while and one if the project team spent a long time explaining it. Fair play for them going along and discussing their problems ( rather than the Middleton approach)
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Agreed. This is what the club wants. If you’re against it, go and talk to the people set to deliver this and explain your concerns. They can be mitigated, have your fears alleviated or even solved.

Or you could spend all your time posting self-congratulatory posts on Nextdoor instead …
 
mooro said:
I can sort of see your point regarding lights at crossings ( but am not convinced that bottle necks cannot be avoided by better planning/flow management en route from the stadium) and do agree that taking a lot of people up and down steps to use a bridge is a potential risk, but a wide underpass would avoid both of these issues.

It would also be a justifiable addition to the housing estate when built and also more likely to be used than a footbridge (which I always sense people largely cannot be bothered with)

I think, keeping the road open is important for a number of reasons:
1 - politically/ diplomatically the optics of doing so are clear in terms of goodwill. For many locally it is about the perception of disruption more than how it may turn out eventually
2 - it will maintain non football traffic along that stretch, including to and from the parkway+ p&R, yet minimise disruption.
3 - it will reduce the bottleneck of everyone exiting the car park in one long line (kassam overflow anyone?) and filter onto a single roundabout
4 - it will enable traffic to approach/depart to the north, rather than circumnavigate three sides of the site, thus also aiding quicker dispersal of volume away from the site.
5 -it will reduce the risk of chaos should the pear tree junction experience an issue.

I think overall it is worth it
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Guessing you're thinking of something like attached? Big and wide, could also link up with footpaths going north to the new estate.

We would probably need to work with the housing developers, Chiltern Railways and council to come so some solution to benefit all.

As others have said the big problem would be the prolonged disruption whilst the underpass is built.

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Posted this on the OUSP News thread but think that it would be useful to be included on this one too.

While attending the stadium event, I spoke with Adam Benson (Chief Commercial and Marketing Officer) and found him to be really impressive. He acknowledged that things were a real mess when he arrived and that he and his team have barely touched on the issues that exist.

He said that the season ticket packages and the welcome packs were the first priority, and the general feeling is that these were well received. He has also looked at the comms that go out and how we launched the different kits and other initiatives.

There was acknowledgement that you can't always please everyone, all the time, but he is committed to ensuring that everyone is heard, whether it's a moan about something (which he expects) but also when things go well. The new stadium will be designed with excellent fan engagement at the heart of it, but we can't just ignore this for 3 years because we don't like the Kassam. Improvements have to happen now.

We (OUSP) are meeting with Adam formally next month so I'll be happy to collate issues for now and the future via the forum if you'd like to message me or OUSP directly. I'll share this again nearer the time.
 
Scotchegg said:
Attended a meeting with the Project Team today alongside other members of the Supporters Panel. I took some notes and will be able to answer those that asked specific questions when I get a moment. But @OUSP Secretary will kindly collate everything in a newsletter to come out next week which should give a more comprehensive overview.

The Project Team are really open to feedback, both positive and negative. As a Panel we didn't hold back about raising issues regarding the negative press that has come as a result of road closures, and how this has given the anti's some unnecessary ammunition. Equally, the fact that the club stated that capacity events would take place twice a week which fueled Middleton banging on about 104 days a year rather than the 40 events it is likely to be (and this includes Women's games which will be significantly below capacity, but with the hope to increase over time).

They owned some of the mistakes in the presentation and listened to ways that we can address these in the future. And they were also honest about the challenges that arise from building on Green Belt. But no stone will be left unturned in ensuring that the stadium gets planning approval, is built on schedule, and becomes the stadium that is the benchmark for all future stadium.

It already feels like this will be a stadium that meets the needs of everyone, but it is really important that everyone shares their views. The public exhibition is open for another week, so please do attend if you can (there were really good numbers going through today). But if you are unable to attend in person, please do look on the stadium website and complete your comments in the section provided. Positive and negative views, and everything in between are all valuable, and there is a team of people reviewing every comment and summarising these for the Project Team, so please make your voices heard.

oufcstadium.co.uk

Home - Oxford United Stadium

https://oufcstadium.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/OUFC-New-Stadium-Development-Animation-_-with-music-2-APPROVED.mp4 We are thrilled to announce the next phase of our groundbreaking project to create a new home for Oxford United and a fantastic new community destination for the people of...
oufcstadium.co.uk
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Did they happen to pick up on any particular negative comment that you maybe aware of and if so how are they going to address the comment(s)
 
OUFCwaffle said:
Guessing you're thinking of something like attached? Big and wide, could also link up with footpaths going north to the new estate.

We would probably need to work with the housing developers, Chiltern Railways and council to come so some solution to benefit all.

As others have said the big problem would be the prolonged disruption whilst the underpass is built.

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You still have the problem of crossing the train tracks from the parkway car park.
 
Sorry if covered but I can’t keep up

Re the footbridge etc. I asked at the exhibition and the comment was that they will have to follow what highways want etc but that if a footbridge was put in only certain % would wait to use it (as no way it could be wide enough for a free flow) and therefore rather than wait people will just cross the road
On that basis highways would probably decide to close the road anyway and n safety grounds so the bridge might be a lot of complex build/money for little benefit etc.

They are really focusing on getting people to arrive early and stay after the game to stagger the flows of people.

Also I think the other P&R sites will be directed as the carpark of choice for as many drivers as possible with shuttles using the terminal at water Eaton as it has the least spaces and the road will be closed etc
 
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