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[Pete Burrett]

Trump incites violence, still convinced the election was 'stolen' yet unable to substantiate the claim in any way. I realise the views of many of those storming the Capitol don't deserve to be taken seriously, but several claimed they were actually defending democracy. One stated 'they' were the world's last hope. What the f**k can you do with people like that?

By the way, apparently chanting 'USA, USA' gives some the right to do whatever they like in order to make America great again.

 

[TL@69]

A peaceful protest was infuriated by Chinese backed Biden supporters to undermine the greatest president the USA has ever had.

 

[Marked Ox]

From bbc just now:
More details on deaths at Capitol
DC Mayor Bowser and police chief Robert Contee just held a presser about the Capitol Hill protest.

They said the woman who was shot was part of a group of multiple individuals that forced entry into the House room that was still in session.

They were confronted by plainclothes officers, and an officer pulled out a weapon and fired it.

The woman was taken to hospital and proclaimed dead. Her ID is being withheld by authorities until next of kin are notified.

They said of the three other deaths today at the Capitol grounds, one was an adult female and two were adult males. All three involved unspecified, separate medical emergencies.

At least 14 members of the Metro police department were injured. Two were admitted to hospital, one with serious injuries after being dragged into the crowd, and the other was hit by a projectile in the face.

Saw video of her getting shot on CNN. She was the 1st one trying to get through a window/door that had been smashed in with metal poles etc. Iirc, the Police were warning them off and the guns were clearly visible. And I can see why the Police would have felt threatened for themselves and the staff/politicians in their care. While it is sad she died, she contributed heavily to her own death based on that video.

 

[Marked Ox]

Trump incites violence, still convinced the election was 'stolen' yet unable to substantiate the claim in any way. I realise the views of many of those storming the Capitol don't deserve to be taken seriously, but several claimed they were actually defending democracy. One stated 'they' were the world's last hope. What the f**k can you do with people like that?

By the way, apparently chanting 'USA, USA' gives some the right to do whatever they like in order to make America great again.

They deserve to be arrested just for that rubbish 'USA, USA' chant.

 

[Wallop]

Separated at birth??

 

[chuckbert]

Saw video of her getting shot on CNN. She was the 1st one trying to get through a window/door that had been smashed in with metal poles etc. Iirc, the Police were warning them off and the guns were clearly visible. And I can see why the Police would have felt threatened for themselves and the staff/politicians in their care. While it is sad she died, she contributed heavily to her own death based on that video.

Yup - seen it from a few angles. Her MIL said “I have no idea what she was doing there”. Leading the storming of an iconic parliament is what she was doing.

 

[chuckbert]

Separated at birth??

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[bazzer9461]

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And there was I thinking a new version of Village People were doing a gig in the White House

 

[Wallop]

Saw video of her getting shot on CNN. She was the 1st one trying to get through a window/door that had been smashed in with metal poles etc. Iirc, the Police were warning them off and the guns were clearly visible. And I can see why the Police would have felt threatened for themselves and the staff/politicians in their care. While it is sad she died, she contributed heavily to her own death based on that video.

As sad as it is - if I smashed windows to get into the House Of Commons and then ran towards police close to the actual chamber, I wouldn't expect to be breathing for too much longer.

 

[bazzer9461]

A video has been shown where the Pokice have opened the barricades to allow the protesters through.

 

[chuckbert]

A video has been shown where the Pokice have opened the barricades to allow the protesters through.

Ive read an explanation of a couple of situations where this appeared to happen. In both cases the police/security were heavily outnumbered, and so lethal force would only be used as a final resort (I was going to add “unless they were black protesters”, but thought better of it), eg the shooting as they tried to break into the chamber.

 

[Essexyellows]

Think you need to get out more (and I mean a bit further than shuffling around Leicester, checking on schools )*

So presumably you condemn the actions of Trump and his supporters then?

*when lockdown is over, obvs!

Absolutely yes, recourse to violence over democracy is never acceptable.

I have to go in to the office as there is stuff to do that requires being "in" and I score the least points amongst our team for "risk".
The downside to WFH was all the remote stuff got done but the other stuff piled up so some lucky soul has to shuffle in, past all those schools and do it.
As the rest of the team score more highly on the Covid risk assessment I`m the lucky one!

 

[ttg17]

As sad as it is - if I smashed windows to get into the House Of Commons and then ran towards police close to the actual chamber, I wouldn't expect to be breathing for too much longer.

Is it sad?

Was it sad when the police shot the man on London Bridge last December? Was it sad when the lunatic who killed those pedestrians on Westminster Bridge and PC Palmer was killed?

These people are domestic terrorists. They were using violence to make what could only loosely be described as an ideological point. The reporting needs to stop being equivocal on this. This went far, far beyond legitimate protest.

 

[Essexyellows]

He could do nothing and it would still be better than Trump did.

What is he going to do was the question.

I don`t expect you to give solutions based on your previous, "doing nothing" isn`t an option for 330 million people.

You can argue semantics about what Trump did but the stats suggest he got the basics right (pandemic precluded)
Lower poverty rate.
Lower unemployment.
Increased wages overall.
Economic growth.

US 2020 election: The economy under Trump in six charts

President Trump claims he has been responsible for the strongest US economy ever. What do the numbers show?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Marked Ox]

A video has been shown where the Pokice have opened the barricades to allow the protesters through.

If it is the video I've seen then they are being filmed from behind by Trumpers so were basically surrounded and heavily outnumbered. They fell back to another barrier which also then got overrun. Those Police were massively outnumbered, and even with the Selfies they were probably trying to de-escalate the situation which seems entirely sensible.

There is also video of Police firing pepperball guns trying to stop rioters climbing temporary structures to get into the Capitol Building.

 

[Essexyellows]

We’re certainly unarmed.

That you’re honking on bobo at this hour is a prime example of how uncivilised we’ve become.

Day off....... allowed.

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

Ttg17. Agreed.

However without splitting hairs the Westminster bridge incident someone planned and executed a pre planned plot to murder people.

In this case a spontaneous set of incidents carried out by a collective set of idiots seemed to escalate and mob mentality inspired people to do things perhaps they wouldn’t normally do. I know nothing of that woman so this is guesswork and I accept I could be wrong, but I’ve a hunch she didn’t wake up yesterday morning planning to murder someone and did as a “martyr”.

 

[m]

Is it sad?

Was it sad when the police shot the man on London Bridge last December? Was it sad when the lunatic who killed those pedestrians on Westminster Bridge and PC Palmer was killed?

These people are domestic terrorists. They were using violence to make what could only loosely be described as an ideological point. The reporting needs to stop being equivocal on this. This went far, far beyond legitimate protest.

That said, I'm glad nobody got shot during the famous boardroom storm during the latter days of Kasssm.

 

[bashamwonderland]

Is it sad?

Was it sad when the police shot the man on London Bridge last December? Was it sad when the lunatic who killed those pedestrians on Westminster Bridge and PC Palmer was killed?

These people are domestic terrorists. They were using violence to make what could only loosely be described as an ideological point. The reporting needs to stop being equivocal on this. This went far, far beyond legitimate protest.

I think it's sad.

Both types of people had been indoctrinated in different ways.

One had been indoctrinated to cause the largest loss of human life as he possibly could. Killing indiscriminately and as much as possible before being killed himself. There's something quite cold and inhuman about the crimes he committed.

One had been indoctrinated to believe that she could overthrow a fair process and somehow contribute to the return of her preferred presidential candidate. If she was armed and intending to harm others then there is no sadness. But she wasn't armed (to my knowledge) and her purpose wasn't to cause loss of life.

She was pretty stupid, probably misguided and she deserved to be shot in the circumstances, but I'd still say it was sad.

 

[chuckbert]

Ttg17. Agreed.

However without splitting hairs the Westminster bridge incident someone planned and executed a pre planned plot to murder people.

In this case a spontaneous set of incidents carried out by a collective set of idiots seemed to escalate and mob mentality inspired people to do things perhaps they wouldn’t normally do. I know nothing of that woman so this is guesswork and I accept I could be wrong, but I’ve a hunch she didn’t wake up yesterday morning planning to murder someone and did as a “martyr”.

You’re perhaps being a bit light on the Trumpets here. There were enough of them wearing things like T-shirt’s with “Civil War 6 Jan 2021”, body armour. The woman who died had a longish military record (no idea whether combat or not) and has flown to DC from San Diego (if I recall correctly) for the event. There is a Twitter trail of Trumpets who attended his speech complaining that it wasn’t strong and inciting enough and that they expected more of a battle cry. Mass hysteria? Yes. Cold-blooded planning? No. Hot-headed incitement? Yes.