National News The Brexit Thread 🇬🇧🇪🇺

[Wandering Yellow]

I take it you can't then. Sunlit f*****g uplands bullshit.

I don't want to be in a political union nobody voted to be in in the first place. It's pretty simple.

What use is all your anger about brexit QR?

 

[Marked Ox]

Happier fish. Although I’ve not heard a fish directly quote this. But TBF they haven’t voiced their dissatisfaction either.

The Pigs have got a few extra days alive as well before being incinerated.

 

[MarkG]

Why can’t we go back to exploiting European peasants on pitiful wages and awful living conditions. Brexit is so unfair and might affect me buying a chicken for £2 in the supermarket.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Why can’t we go back to exploiting European peasants on pitiful wages and awful living conditions. Brexit is so unfair and might affect me buying a chicken for £2 in the supermarket.

Not convinced that Brexit was either proposed or voted for as being a method for improving the wages and working conditions of other European workers really!

Still never mind, with the way everything is going, we will soon all be toiling on our allotments and will ourselves have become peasants, with our 'betters' living off the fat of the land. Ah - the good old days!

 

[Wandering Yellow]

Why can’t we go back to exploiting European peasants on pitiful wages and awful living conditions. Brexit is so unfair and might affect me buying a chicken for £2 in the supermarket.

I'm worried it might make going to my Spanish Villa with my two kids, Primrose and Montegue, slightly more paperwork to get to. I also like freedom of movement so I can pay my slaves cleaner and au pairs lower wages.

 

[bashamwonderland]

Why can’t we go back to exploiting European peasants on pitiful wages and awful living conditions. Brexit is so unfair and might affect me buying a chicken for £2 in the supermarket.

Just how the Guardian readers like it.

Fill up the farms with Romanian slaves and have them all hand over their passports to the gangmaster.

 

[QR]

Just how the Guardian readers like it.

Fill up the farms with Romanian slaves and have them all hand over their passports to the gangmaster.

Cos I remember that on the side of the bus.

#makingitupasyougoalong

 

[bashamwonderland]

Cos I remember that on the side of the bus.

#makingitupasyougoalong

Yeah it wasn't on the bus, so it never happened and nobody ever considered it...

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/shocking-extent-of-modern-slavery-in-agriculture-revealed

If you keep mentioning "the bus" maybe one day you'll get your second referendum

 

[QR]

Yeah it wasn't on the bus, so it never happened and nobody ever considered it...

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/shocking-extent-of-modern-slavery-in-agriculture-revealed

If you keep mentioning "the bus" maybe one day you'll get your second referendum

You did!

(You mean a third)

 

[Wandering Yellow]

You did!

(You mean a third)

Nobody ever voted to join the EU in its current form. It wasn't really a political union in 1973, more of a trade bloc.

What I can't understand QR is as a socialist why you seem to back the EU so much? Its hardly a socialist operation it actively protects the interest of big business.

I'm not trying to criticise you for being a socialist at all, people can believe what they like, I just don't know why a socialist would like the EU so much. Most (all?) hard-left parties in Europe are at least soft eurosceptic

 

[QR]

Nobody ever voted to join the EU in its current form. It wasn't really a political union in 1973, more of a trade bloc.

What I can't understand QR is as a socialist why you seem to back the EU so much? Its hardly a socialist operation it actively protects the interest of big business.

I'm not trying to criticise you for being a socialist at all, people can believe what they like, I just don't know why a socialist would like the EU so much. Most (all?) hard-left parties in Europe are at least soft eurosceptic

Maybe you're wrong and I'm not a socialist then.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

Maybe you're wrong and I'm not a socialist then.

Fair enough, I've just never really got what left-minded folk love about the EU and folk like Jucker and Verhofstadt so much. It seems to stem from a hatred of the likes of Boris and Mogg rather than a love for the EU project.

 

[Oslernorth]

Fair enough, I've just never really got what left-minded folk love about the EU and folk like Jucker and Verhofstadt so much. It seems to stem from a hatred of the likes of Boris and Mogg rather than a love for the EU project.

It’s not a particular love of the EU, it’s an acceptance of the realities of the modern World.
Given the choice, I would love it if Britain had an economy the same size of America or China. But we don’t have the land mass, population or access to raw materials to make that possible.
The Countries of Europe, including Britain, made their fortunes from using the populations and raw materials from their colonies.
Without the creation of a trading bloc strong enough to put meaning taffies on countries that could undercut our way of life, the money of the European nations would simply seep away to China and the emerging economies around the World.

The biggest Brexit problem for me is Britain hasn’t looked into an alternative solution to mitigating this very problem.

 

[carefreeoufc]

Quick one on the whole modern slavery thing (which is a worldwide issue) but it is topical as it’s Anti Slavery Day.

We (people involved in the sector I work in) are beginning to see the hallmarks of an increase due to the lack of available workers in some sectors and some “circumnavigation” of legal employment practices.

Exploitation of workers predominantly arises where peaks and troughs can’t be managed in a supply chain in addition to a shortage of legal workers and those migrant/economy workers entering a country illegally and thus being employed through the back door to work.

We saw an increase in 2020 which it was believed was as a result of covid and I imagine when analysis is done on 2021 figures labour shortages in agriculture and construction will see another increase.

To suggest that our membership in the EU encouraged modern day slavery in the U.K. is wide of the mark.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

Quick one on the whole modern slavery thing (which is a worldwide issue) but it is topical as it’s Anti Slavery Day.

We (people involved in the sector I work in) are beginning to see the hallmarks of an increase due to the lack of available workers in some sectors and some “circumnavigation” of legal employment practices.

Exploitation of workers predominantly arises where peaks and troughs can’t be managed in a supply chain in addition to a shortage of legal workers and those migrant/economy workers entering a country illegally and thus being employed through the back door to work.

We saw an increase in 2020 which it was believed was as a result of covid and I imagine when analysis is done on 2021 figures labour shortages in agriculture and construction will see another increase.

To suggest that our membership in the EU encouraged modern day slavery in the U.K. is wide of the mark.

The EU's expansion into objectively poorer economies like Poland, Croatia and Lithuania caused an influx of workers more than prepared to work for cheap wages to benefit the super-rich.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

It’s not a particular love of the EU, it’s an acceptance of the realities of the modern World.
Given the choice, I would love it if Britain had an economy the same size of America or China. But we don’t have the land mass, population or access to raw materials to make that possible.
The Countries of Europe, including Britain, made their fortunes from using the populations and raw materials from their colonies.
Without the creation of a trading bloc strong enough to put meaning taffies on countries that could undercut our way of life, the money of the European nations would simply seep away to China and the emerging economies around the World.

The biggest Brexit problem for me is Britain hasn’t looked into an alternative solution to mitigating this very problem.

Not at all from you Osler, I know you're a rational guy, but I do find those EU lovers like Steve Bray really hard to comprehend.

Also, why do you need to be in a political union to have sensible trading arangements? I've really never understood that.

 

[carefreeoufc]

The EU's expansion into objectively poorer economies like Poland, Croatia and Lithuania caused an influx of workers more than prepared to work for cheap wages to benefit the super-rich.

British nationals have consistently been in the top five of those exploited in the U.K. (somewhat expected due to the make up of our population) it’s been as high as 3rd as reported by the National Referral Mechanism and U.K. Modern Slavery Helpline annual reports.

Expansion to other economies has meant economic migrants have moved to this country and anecdotally reduced wages in industries like construction (as have Indian concrete pourers and Eritrean crane drivers and Nigerian traffic marshals).

The previous posts also suggested modern slavery was predominantly caused by the EU. That’s not correct and is not the case globally.

You’ve got form for arguing on things you know f@ck all about though.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

British nationals have consistently been in the top five of those exploited in the U.K. (somewhat expected due to the make up of our population) it’s been as high as 3rd as reported by the National Referral Mechanism and U.K. Modern Slavery Helpline annual reports.

Expansion to other economies has meant economic migrants have moved to this country and anecdotally reduced wages in industries like construction (as have Indian concrete pourers and Eritrean crane drivers and Nigerian traffic marshals).

The previous posts also suggested modern slavery was predominantly caused by the EU. That’s not correct and is not the case globally.

You’ve got form for arguing on things you know f@ck all about though.

Come on mate that's a bit uncalled for, it's just my opinion if you expand into poorer economies it is inevitable it will create an influx of migrants willing to work for lower wages.

I apologised to Big Ron when I was wrong about Radio, it happens.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

British nationals have consistently been in the top five of those exploited in the U.K. (somewhat expected due to the make up of our population) it’s been as high as 3rd as reported by the National Referral Mechanism and U.K. Modern Slavery Helpline annual reports.

Expansion to other economies has meant economic migrants have moved to this country and anecdotally reduced wages in industries like construction (as have Indian concrete pourers and Eritrean crane drivers and Nigerian traffic marshals).

The previous posts also suggested modern slavery was predominantly caused by the EU. That’s not correct and is not the case globally.

You’ve got form for arguing on things you know f@ck all about though.

That's something you've assumed and not something I've either said or believe.

 

[carefreeoufc]

That's something you've assumed and not something I've either said or believe.

There’s at least three posts above referring to slaves and European nationals being exploited on “pitiful wages and awful living conditions”.

It is correct that there are workers from countries like Albania, Bulgaria and Romania who have and are exploited by criminal gangs involved in modern day slavery in the U.K. it is also correct that there are economic migrant workers in the U.K. who have worked on minimum or just above minimum wage because it is better than what they can earn at home. If you think that working on minimum wage is exploitative then that’s another matter. Obviously some construction companies and their clients do because they enforce things like the National Living or London Living Wage. Companies paying minimum wage though are legally entitled to as it’s the government who set it.

Those being exploited in fashion houses in Leicester or take aways in Birmingham, nail bars in London and so on are often from countries farther afield than our neighbours in the EU.

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vi...eryhelpline.org/uploads/20210407114600907.pdf (P17 you’ll see a healthy selection of countries that aren’t in the EU)

https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...notify-statistics-uk-end-of-year-summary-2020 (Section 2.4 you’ll see the U.K. leading the way again plenty of non-EU countries there).

Plenty more reports out there and data captured globally.