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MC Yellow said:
You link these issues with Brexit ?
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As do the airline bosses. But you and Grant Shapps know better eh.

With a few isolated exceptions it wasn't happening in the rest of Europe. I wonder what's different about the UK? 🤔
 
QR said:
As do the airline bosses. But you and Grant Shapps know better eh.

With a few isolated exceptions it wasn't happening in the rest of Europe. I wonder what's different about the UK? 🤔
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Ah, must be true then.

Or, are they acting like politicians and deflecting blame 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
QR said:
Oh, now Shapps had realised we need more EU workers.

When will you? 🤔🤔🤔

https://twitter.com/x/status/1535678275762126855
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So airline financial greed (you know, that stuff you like) had nothing at all to do with this?

Selling flights they had no capacity to deliver just to get money.

Complete lack of planning by airline bosses (you know, same as all that lack of contingency planning by the government for Covid)

You are so blinkered it is untrue.
 
MC Yellow said:
So airline financial greed (you know, that stuff you like) had nothing at all to do with this?

Selling flights they had no capacity to deliver just to get money.

Complete lack of planning by airline bosses (you know, same as all that lack of contingency planning by the government for Covid)

You are so blinkered it is untrue.
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They probably thought this government wouldn't possibly let them flounder without staff. They can now see that popularist = knee jerk +no plan + no idea.
 
In Benidorm at the moment. Flew out with easyjet no queues no hassles stress free. Speaking to other British out here all saying the same. Hopefully return flight is the same.
 
QR said:
They probably thought this government wouldn't possibly let them flounder without staff. They can now see that popularist = knee jerk +no plan + no idea.
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This is pretty desperate even for you with your anti Brexit drum.

You know, it is possible to acknowledge that there are many other factors at play here. It is not just Brexit.

Overselling, under planning and making assumptions about this government is pretty bloody stupid.
 
MC Yellow said:
This is pretty desperate even for you with your anti Brexit drum.

You know, it is possible to acknowledge that there are many other factors at play here. It is not just Brexit.

Overselling, under planning and making assumptions about this government is pretty bloody stupid.
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So why had it only affected the UK to this degree?

What's different about us?

Come on, you know the answer. 😉
 
My mate’s nephew had just been taken on as a pilot at BA in 2019 after paying for his own training in New Zealand and then getting his first pilot job at EasyJet.

BA made him redundant on a “first in first out” basis in 2020. He was then on the list to get his job back , but as a pilot you can’t just start again straight away. Anyway , he’s starting I think in a few weeks.
 
QR said:
So why had it only affected the UK to this degree?

What's different about us?

Come on, you know the answer. 😉
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Bad management of the situation (or, in your world a bit like Conservative running the country compared to Labour)

Brexit changed things and created more red tape compared to Europe, agreed, but management did not adapt despite plenty of warning.

The U.K. provided huge furlough grants for employees to be retained but instead the airlines made a broad sweep of redundancies, which was very short sighted.

The airlines then got greedy and took way too many bookings coming out of Covid when they had no capacity to deliver. They obviously had no strategy to take on sufficient staff in this new Brexit climate to meet the demand they had created, unless of course you feel that putting faith in this government to make it all ok is acceptable behaviour.

Did Brexit change the landscape, yes.

Did Covid create a whole new situation not foreseen , yes.

Had Covid not happened would we have been in this situation of redundancies, no.

Would good management and lack of greed overcome these hurdles, yes.

So who is to blame? Brexit, Covid, Government, Management?
 
I haven’t read it , but this weekend Branson is claiming that Covid nearly brought Virgin Atlantic to going bust.

I thought the issue was that it wasn’t a UK company and so not eligible for government aid.

Branson claiming the company was too small to be supported , and not big enough to be allowed to fail.
 
MC Yellow said:
Bad management of the situation (or, in your world a bit like Conservative running the country compared to Labour)

Brexit changed things and created more red tape compared to Europe, agreed, but management did not adapt despite plenty of warning.

The U.K. provided huge furlough grants for employees to be retained but instead the airlines made a broad sweep of redundancies, which was very short sighted.

The airlines then got greedy and took way too many bookings coming out of Covid when they had no capacity to deliver. They obviously had no strategy to take on sufficient staff in this new Brexit climate to meet the demand they had created, unless of course you feel that putting faith in this government to make it all ok is acceptable behaviour.

Did Brexit change the landscape, yes.

Did Covid create a whole new situation not foreseen , yes.

Had Covid not happened would we have been in this situation of redundancies, no.

Would good management and lack of greed overcome these hurdles, yes.

So who is to blame? Brexit, Covid, Government, Management?
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There were so many versions of what Brexit could look like throughout the whole process so what was management or any business supposed to adapt to? Also, the process is still ongoing considering the NI protocol, that Johnson signed up to and now wants to change (even unilaterally which may or may not cause a trade war etc), so how was business supposed to adapt to this which even now the same Govt can't be consistent?
 
MC Yellow said:
Bad management of the situation (or, in your world a bit like Conservative running the country compared to Labour)

Brexit changed things and created more red tape compared to Europe, agreed, but management did not adapt despite plenty of warning.

The U.K. provided huge furlough grants for employees to be retained but instead the airlines made a broad sweep of redundancies, which was very short sighted.

The airlines then got greedy and took way too many bookings coming out of Covid when they had no capacity to deliver. They obviously had no strategy to take on sufficient staff in this new Brexit climate to meet the demand they had created, unless of course you feel that putting faith in this government to make it all ok is acceptable behaviour.

Did Brexit change the landscape, yes.

Did Covid create a whole new situation not foreseen , yes.

Had Covid not happened would we have been in this situation of redundancies, no.

Would good management and lack of greed overcome these hurdles, yes.

So who is to blame? Brexit, Covid, Government, Management?
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Airline management are to blame
 
Marked Ox said:
There were so many versions of what Brexit could look like throughout the whole process so what was management or any business supposed to adapt to? Also, the process is still ongoing considering the NI protocol, that Johnson signed up to and now wants to change (even unilaterally which may or may not cause a trade war etc), so how was business supposed to adapt to this which even now the same Govt can't be consistent?
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There was plenty of information and warnings regarding how Brexit affected workers from the EU after 31st December 2020 and the application process they needed to go through before 30th June 2021 in order to remain in the U.K.

Similarly there was plenty of guidance about what to do after 30th June 2021.

I am sure a multi billion pound business with a dedicated Human Resources department could work it out.
 
MC Yellow said:
here was plenty of information and warnings regarding how Brexit affected workers from the EU after 31st December 2020 and the application process they needed to go through before 30th June 2021 in order to remain in the U.K.

Similarly there was plenty of guidance about what to do after 30th June 2021.

I am sure a multi billion pound business with a dedicated Human Resources department could work it out.
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That still depends on the Brexit deal as there were various degrees of entry requirements within those potential deals so what is required changes, particularly under May. Admittedly under Johnson, the move was clearly towards a hard Brexit.

So until those changes are confirmed, businesses aren't going to commit reform to processes to any great degree, especially with the degree of complexity of the various rules.

Then you have the impact that furlough had on airline/airport staffing.
 
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