Manager/Coach Des Buckingham

chromeyellow said:
It's clear that the Chief Executive is much more experienced in financial restructuring in sport -which is what he did at Inter Milan where " as the Chief Financial Officer he held responsibility for financial, strategic and management reporting and the Group's financing and capital structure where he led the restructuring of the club’s long and short term financing facilities which ultimately facilitated the development of the club on the pitch, culminating in the club’s return to Champions League football in 2018 and the 2021 Italian league title" than the day-to-day running of a League 1 football club,

But then we have lots of people who can do the day-to-day running of a League 1 football club.

To build the new stadium we probably need the Inter Milan skillset.
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I bet he didn't do any of the communications though.
l take issue with some of that, as CFO he would carry out board strategy not set it. He would have reported to an FD. He was a member of the senior management team not a board member, according to the same LinkedIn profile.
If he was head of strategy at Inter Milan why is he here? That is one hell of a career downturn.
This is his first job as CEO, that is why he is here. I accept it is a huge job.
The worrying part is we have CEO in his first CEO role, a manager in his first bigger league appointment. A lot on inexperience in those key roles. The events of the past couple of months echo that inexperience.
As a former CEO, FD and CFO I understand the very different skill sets required to carry out those roles and how different they are in quoted and SME organisations. Coincidentally Tim and I went to the same University but I won't hold that against him!!
 
38yearsofpain said:
I bet he didn't do any of the communications though.
l take issue with some of that, as CFO he would carry out board strategy not set it. He would have reported to an FD. He was a member of the senior management team not a board member, according to the same LinkedIn profile.
If he was head of strategy at Inter Milan why is he here? That is one hell of a career downturn.
This is his first job as CEO, that is why he is here. I accept it is a huge job.
The worrying part is we have CEO in his first CEO role, a manager in his first bigger league appointment. A lot on inexperience in those key roles. The events of the past couple of months echo that inexperience.
As a former CEO, FD and CFO I understand the very different skill sets required to carry out those roles and how different they are in quoted and SME organisations. Coincidentally Tim and I went to the same University but I won't hold that against him!!
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He didn't do the comms. no, and that's something that needs attention. I imagine he's here because Erick Thohir asked him. Whether that's good or bad who can say? Mayb he wants to live inthe UK for a bit, perhaps his parents are getting on or his kis are at university. And he's getting more involved with strategic initiatives- including at your old University.

He probably needs someone like you to talk through all the difference in roles. He's probably not used to the level of scrutiny he's facing.

Clearly the Indonesian elections and Bakri's involvement with the Indonesian Olympics means that we are a bit down the agenda at the moment. But appointing Buckingham feels like a clear and positive decision. Beadle returning was to be expected. Where will we be at the end of January is the key question.
 
ECYellow said:
Des Post Match, re: Hackett ‘appointment’:

“In terms of how we work together and what that looks like, we are still discussing that and things should be clearer before the weekend”

Also Des Post Match, when asked about Hackett:

“Yeah, we’ve probably gone a little bit too early on that”

This is AFTER our CEO has released an update, that states Hackett will be Des’s Assistant. Does anyone at the club have a f*****g clue what’s going on?

It’s clear our increasingly distant CEO, doesn’t!
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Jerome alluded to this during the game. I was a bit confused at the time but I think what he was saying is that Hackett, Short and Price will all have equal billing under Des if I understood correctly?
 
We‘re at a crucial juncture in the history of our great football club and we have a CEO who isn’t very good at his job, or isn’t giving it his 100% attention. Worrying.
 
I guess it's cold, people can't go out, and perhaps are feeling skint after Christmas and New year but I think there's a massive overreaction to a club having their loan keeper recalled when we're 5th in league 1.

If we don't replace any of our loan players I'll be worried.
 
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Chippy said:
So basically Tim has lost interest but we’re still paying him a huge wage to not do his job properly? Is that a fair assessment?

With GF never here either, despite costing us a small fortune as well I suspect, then we have 2 highly paid executives not delivering and effectively no one running the club?

It seems like in a couple of months we’ve suddenly become a complete mess. Des is now like Mr OUFC in the same way KR was and we all know how that ended up and how bad it was for the club. The owners are distant and there is no one properly guiding the ship?

I imagine NMcW feels isolated and is pi**ed off at lack of support from anyone other than highly paid consultants who are also costing a fortune.

We have no one to sign off transfers hence the problems there, and all this is probably filtering down to the players hence the likes of Beadle leaving despite Sheffield Wed already having a very competent GK and his game time not guaranteed like it was here?

Am I reading the room reasonably accurately or being paranoid here? And is there much more I haven’t even covered?
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Some of that is massive speculation. Things clearly are not good at the moment, but nor sure how you can second guess a lot of that
How do you know that we gave nobody to sign off transfers?
 
yellowbow said:
Jerome alluded to this during the game. I was a bit confused at the time but I think what he was saying is that Hackett, Short and Price will all have equal billing under Des if I understood correctly?
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Yep having listened to Des’ interview again that’s how I’ve interpreted it, think some on here are making too much of a disparity between what the CEO has said and how Des sees CH’s role.

Des was full of praise for CH and said he’s played an important role linking the first team to academy, now he’s stepping up to assist more with first team coaching.

I’ve no doubt Des wanted someone more experienced and I really, really don’t rate Short as he was part of the malaise under Gobbo, but we’ve now got 3 assistants helping with coaching. It’s hardly the best position to be able to push on in the second half of the season in what is a very weak league, but I don’t see this as a communications issue but more a case of ‘we didn’t get our first choice assistant manager so have decided to ask CH to step up for the rest of the season’.
 
chromeyellow said:
He didn't do the comms. no, and that's something that needs attention. I imagine he's here because Erick Thohir asked him. Whether that's good or bad who can say? Mayb he wants to live inthe UK for a bit, perhaps his parents are getting on or his kis are at university. And he's getting more involved with strategic initiatives- including at your old University.

He probably needs someone like you to talk through all the difference in roles. He's probably not used to the level of scrutiny he's facing.

Clearly the Indonesian elections and Bakri's involvement with the Indonesian Olympics means that we are a bit down the agenda at the moment. But appointing Buckingham feels like a clear and positive decision. Beadle returning was to be expected. Where will we be at the end of January is the key question.
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No doubt he is here because Thohir or Ferguson asked him. He is obviously a corporate animal( that is not meant as an insult). He was based in the UK and a Chief Exec my error but not of a business in a goldfish bowl environment.
Totally agree the next month will be pivotal both on and off the park.
My gut feeling is not all is well, too many very basic mistakes are being made. But I accept on field activities may be the least of the problems.
But us fans never have the full picture and neither should we. But as fans we get very frustrated when it feels like we are on a slippery slope of our own making.
 
38yearsofpain said:
No doubt he is here because Thohir or Ferguson asked him. He is obviously a corporate animal( that is not meant as an insult). He was based in the UK and a Chief Exec my error but not of a business in a goldfish bowl environment.
Totally agree the next month will be pivotal both on and off the park.
My gut feeling is not all is well, too many very basic mistakes are being made. But I accept on field activities may be the least of the problems.
But us fans never have the full picture and neither should we. But as fans we get very frustrated when it feels like we are on a slippery slope of our own making.
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I genuinely think that someone like you would be able to offer a huge amount in conveying the fans' view.

I guess fans and fan culture aren't that important in Indonesia (given the brutal and corrupt Suharto regime which i imagine both thohir and Bakri were aligned with) and the expectation of closeness to the club is probably very different in League 1 to Serie A.
 
Foley said:
Some of that is massive speculation. Things clearly are not good at the moment, but nor sure how you can second guess a lot of that
How do you know that we gave nobody to sign off transfers?
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It‘s all massive speculation and guesswork from me, absolutely. I was just trying to read through the lines of how things may be looking based on what ECYellow and a few others have alluded to tonight and in the last few days, and trying to paint a possible scenario of the situation.

Some or all of that may be right or maybe none of it is, but I was just trying to piece things together and make some sense at least of possibly what’s happening. Hence my question at the end to EC or any others who may know what’s going on reasonably well, about whether I was reading the potential worst case scenario of the situation correctly or not
 
Just listened to a bit of that interview and Christ alive, what a shitshow this has been. Nothing for weeks until the pressure builds to say something, pop in with a statement full of waffle and an assistant manager announcement buried in the middle and it turns out even that might be wrong (although I'm sure some will point out that the wording might be ambiguous enough to say he never confirmed Hackett as assistant manager). Does scream top 30 does it?

Perhaps we've been really aggressive and offered the going rate for someone. What a totally avoidable mess.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
If it’s confusing for us fans just imagine what it’s like for the players.
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And the manager who’s just uprooted his family to move half way around the world to take the project on that they presented to him. Appreciate this is his home and familiar but it changes nothing - he’s here on false pretences. I dare say if they presented him this scenario, he’d have stayed where he was and waited for the right role. He’s been shafted by his own club.
 
Matt W said:
and now I'm not sure I have a musical analogy for Des as he's trying to do everthing with a hand tied behind his back, or so it seems
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Ravel’s left hand piano concerto?
 
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Swaby39 said:
And the manager who’s just uprooted his family to move half way around the world to take the project on that they presented to him. Appreciate this is his home and familiar but it changes nothing - he’s here on false pretences. I dare say if they presented him this scenario, he’d have stayed where he was and waited for the right role. He’s been shafted by his own club.
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He doesn't get off scott free here.
I would have hoped that Waldron and Des would have been responsible for identifying the assistant coach and analyst?
Again both would be responsible for identifying players. Manning seemed to get the deals done quickly.
I am not blaming Des, but much of this can't be laid at the door of Williams ( unless the purse strings have been tightened significantly- there is no evidence of this yet)
 
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