Ex-Staff Chris Williams Leaves

[billyturleyscurlywurly]

The club haven’t posted about the fans forum anywhere unless I’ve missed it?

Call me sceptical but it wouldn’t surprise if something cropped up and Tim Williams suddenly couldn’t make the fans forum.

They were relying on us being happy because planning has been put in. They will have certainly noticed the feelings towards the news of Chris Williams leaving and will not be looking forward to meeting the fans.

Any reason why the club haven’t announced about the fans forum on socials & via email?

@OxVox @Paul P @OUSP

Can this be pushed?

 

[ECYellow]

do you think Tim Williams writes his own programme notes?
I thought that Chris Williams basically writes them all from manager to chairman, or that was how it used to work.
So CW is hardly going to ghost write a set of notes praising himself?

So what you’re saying, is that our CEO communicates with supporters even less than we are led to believe??

…imagine my surprise

 

[Foley]

Chris Williams wouldn’t start blaming the supporters if he had written those notes.

I didn't read it like that.
Many on here (EC Yellow had probably been the biggest critic), habe criticized the home support this season. Is anybody disagreeing that the noise has been poor?
I took it that he was agreeing!
I think that the club have been complicit in the treatment of the Ultras , but I am.nit sure that he was 'blaming" the supporters?
I am sure that many will disagree!!

 

[dickwalton1964]

As an employer, I would have expected to you be a bit sharper. Instead, you can’t seem to see the wood for the trees.

I have to admit that I don’t buy a programme and don’t know much about CW other than he works for the club. Other than him referring to his self as a ‘customer’ I can’t see anything too enlightning to say he’s been booted out. Even the ‘customer’ bit is open to interpretation.

 

[Finlandia]

I have to admit that I don’t buy a programme and don’t know much about CW other than he works for the club. Other than him referring to his self as a ‘customer’ I can’t see anything too enlightning to say he’s been booted out. Even the ‘customer’ bit is open to interpretation.

Seriously - read the room and listen to people on here who are fully aware of the issues at the club.

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Now he's left OUFC I hope he joins the forum.

 

[Paul Cannell]

Oh. Ignoramus in "I had no idea" shock!

 

[MC Yellow]

I have to admit that I don’t buy a programme and don’t know much about CW other than he works for the club. Other than him referring to his self as a ‘customer’ I can’t see anything too enlightning to say he’s been booted out. Even the ‘customer’ bit is open to interpretation.

I am not so sure about being booted out so much as just possibly feeling a disconnect with the club after all these years of loyalty and realising a need to move on.

Certainly, when we went through a merger/takeover, what we got as opposed to what we were sold was very different. The climate for our staff became awful, whilst clients (customers) were driven away after years of loyalty. It eventually drove me away after 20 years of loyalty because it was just unbearable. I was a horrible, horrible time.

I too have no real insight into the internal goings on at the club but some on here who have a good level of forum respect certainly seem to. However, the “customer” comment was not lost on me as it has been a prickly topic for quite some time, so as far as I am concerned (rightly or wrongly) it was a message of discontent.

If I can feel the lack connection with the club at the moment (speaking only as a fan/customer), I am not surprised that those much closer are feeling pretty low at the moment.

I agree that negativity can be infectious, but we can’t all be wrong.

 

[dickwalton1964]

I am not so sure about being booted out so much as just possibly feeling a disconnect with the club after all these years of loyalty and realising a need to move on.

Certainly, when we went through a merger/takeover, what we got as opposed to what we were sold was very different. The climate for our staff became awful, whilst clients (customers) were driven away after years of loyalty. It eventually drove me away after 20 years of loyalty because it was just unbearable. I was a horrible, horrible time.

I too have no real insight into the internal goings on at the club but some on here who have a good level of forum respect certainly seem to. However, the “customer” comment was not lost on me as it has been a prickly topic for quite some time, so as far as I am concerned (rightly or wrongly) it was a message of discontent.

If I can feel the lack connection with the club at the moment (speaking only as a fan/customer), I am not surprised that those much closer are feeling pretty low at the moment.

I agree that negativity can be infectious, but we can’t all be wrong.

Was everyone feeling this supposed disconnection three months ago when Manning had us second? This forum was awash with positivity like never before. It’s all gone a bit belly up since but is that Buckingham, the players or the boardroom? What’s changed at board level other than paying substantial compensation for a manger that was the overwhelming fans choice, shelling out £400,000 for that long awaited striker and getting the wheels in motion for a £100m state of the art stadium?

In my view the negativity lies firmly at the door of Des Buckingham. His negative and tedious football has sucked the wind out of the fans sails and it’s filtered down to pettiness and a blame culture. If it’s not Des and his approach then it’s one almighty coincidence because this wasn’t the case when the championship looked a distinct possibility under Liam Manning.

 

[MC Yellow]

Was everyone feeling this supposed disconnection three months ago when Manning had us second? This forum was awash with positivity like never before. It’s all gone a bit belly up since but is that Buckingham, the players or the boardroom? What’s changed at board level other than paying substantial compensation for a manger that was the overwhelming fans choice, shelling out £400,000 for that long awaited striker and getting the wheels in motion for a £100m state of the art stadium?

In my view the negativity lies firmly at the door of Des Buckingham. His negative and tedious football has sucked the wind out of the fans sails and it’s filtered down to pettiness and a blame culture. If it’s not Des and his approach then it’s one almighty coincidence because this wasn’t the case when the championship looked a distinct possibility under Liam Manning.

I certainly had an issue with the lack of presence of the board/owners before Manning left and personally my disconnect was already being felt regardless of our league position. I am sure there are some old posts of mine that would back that feeling up.

That feeling has probably just manifested itself as time has gone on, and yes, not helped by the quality of football on offer at the moment and a feeling that this is now (after the last two games) likely to be a drop away from our chance in the playoffs.


Before these two games, I still believed we could do this, but now I have taken a reality check.

 

[Jon-ioualways]

I came on here with the intention of avoiding any discussion of yesterday's game (it's depressing to watch us lose, and even more depressing to read the comments soon after), but it's all for nothing--now I'm depressed with the news not only of Chris Williams going (best of luck to you, mate--we never met, but exchanged a few emails), but of the manner in which he seems to have gone. We should be happy with the news that the plans have gone in, but all of this stuff behind the scenes makes it harder to get excited, even about the plans.

 

[Brahma]

Someone needs to put a call into the 'Bouncers'. Ahead of 7 March.

 

[uptheus]

Someone needs to put a call into the 'Bouncers'. Ahead of 7 March.

Who are the bouncers?

 

[Scotchegg]

Someone needs to put a call into the 'Bouncers'. Ahead of 7 March.

I know it's a little tongue in cheek, but I hope that all those attending the forum will do so in a respectful manner. It's important that we all get the answers we want, and abuse or personal insults will make it too easy for Tim or Grant to put their defences up and blame those in attendance for the lack of previous communication.

 

[oxfordkits]

Or just not turn up?

 

[Bicester Yellow]

Was everyone feeling this supposed disconnection three months ago when Manning had us second? This forum was awash with positivity like never before. It’s all gone a bit belly up since but is that Buckingham, the players or the boardroom? What’s changed at board level other than paying substantial compensation for a manger that was the overwhelming fans choice, shelling out £400,000 for that long awaited striker and getting the wheels in motion for a £100m state of the art stadium?

In my view the negativity lies firmly at the door of Des Buckingham. His negative and tedious football has sucked the wind out of the fans sails and it’s filtered down to pettiness and a blame culture. If it’s not Des and his approach then it’s one almighty coincidence because this wasn’t the case when the championship looked a distinct possibility under Liam Manning.

Don’t blame Des when the powers that be can’t even be bothered to allow him to bring his own coaching staff. The remnants of Robinson’s reign are still here. The only difference for manning is he had his own people in key positions supporting him. Des hasn’t got that. They basically shoved Chris Hackett on his lap and it wasn’t what Des wanted. He wanted his own man. That blame falls directly at the door of Tim Williams.

 

[38yearsofpain]

Don’t blame Des when the powers that be can’t even be bothered to allow him to bring his own coaching staff. The remnants of Robinson’s reign are still here. The only difference for manning is he had his own people in key positions supporting him. Des hasn’t got that. They basically shoved Chris Hackett on his lap and it wasn’t what Des wanted. He wanted his own man. That blame falls directly at the door of Tim Williams.

The key question was did Buckingham request a specific support team during his interview process. I was personally critical early on when no assistant manager was appointed.
Most football managers want two things in the hiring process, a management team and the exit clause agreed. If Des didn't agree this at interview stage he was niave and personally it would have been a major reason not to appoint him.
If he did he has been shafted if he didn't he was the wrong man.
I accept people may have rejected the role, but I would have thought they would have been approached and terms in principle agreed before Des was offered the job. Anything else leads to a complete shambles, oh dear that's exactly where are.
Nobody appears to come out of this interview process with any credit.

 

[Bicester Yellow]

The key question was did Buckingham request a specific support team during his interview process. I was personally critical early on when no assistant manager was appointed.
Most football managers want two things in the hiring process, a management team and the exit clause agreed. If Des didn't agree this at interview stage he was niave and personally it would have been a major reason not to appoint him.
If he did he has been shafted if he didn't he was the wrong man.
I accept people may have rejected the role, but I would have thought they would have been approached and terms in principle agreed before Des was offered the job. Anything else leads to a complete shambles, oh dear that's exactly where are.
Nobody appears to come out of this interview process with any credit.

Perhaps, but you don’t just have one target. You have a few in order of preference in case one falls through. No blame lays at the door of Des in my view. Manning was allowed to bring in what he wanted, the summer needs a clear out of short etc & let Des bring in who he wants and who he trusts. There also needs to be a shakeup as I think the players are too comfortable and pally with the current coaches. They are the remnants of robbo’s tenure. The fact it wasn’t done when Buckingham came in is a dereliction of duty from Tim Williams in my view. You don’t pay what we did for Des to not bring in the team around him he wanted & that failure will cost us a playoff place.

 

[dickwalton1964]

Don’t blame Des when the powers that be can’t even be bothered to allow him to bring his own coaching staff. The remnants of Robinson’s reign are still here. The only difference for manning is he had his own people in key positions supporting him. Des hasn’t got that. They basically shoved Chris Hackett on his lap and it wasn’t what Des wanted. He wanted his own man. That blame falls directly at the door of Tim Williams.

According to Des we were twice on the cusp of appointing someone as his assistant - both fell through. You don’t know the reason any more than I do but why should it be the fault of the board rather than the prospective assistant turning down the job for family reasons, not fully believing in Des’s plan or any other personal reason. It sounds to me like the deal itself was virtually done but we couldn’t get it over the line, for whatever reason. And if you don’t think the current malaise has anything to do with Des Buckingham and his footballing philosophy then you’re on planet delusional.

 

[Bicester Yellow]

According to Des we were twice on the cusp of appointing someone as his assistant - both fell through. You don’t know the reason any more than I do but why should it be the fault of the board rather than the prospective assistant turning down the job for family reasons, not fully believing in Des’s plan or any other personal reason. It sounds to me like the deal itself was virtually done but we couldn’t get it over the line, for whatever reason. And if you don’t think the current malaise has anything to do with Des Buckingham and his footballing philosophy then you’re on planet delusional.

I didn’t say some of it wasn’t on Des. But it’s more on the board for not making sure they got who he wanted in to support him.

Manning got an analyst, assistant and goalkeeping coach. All of whom left & Des wasn’t given what he needed from the start. From Des’s interview it was quite obvious that he didn’t want Hackett as his assistant. It is the senior management teams fault for not providing him with the support he needs. It also takes managers time to settle in sometimes. He deserves our patience. If that means we don’t get playoffs this season, I’ll be disappointed but Des deserves to be given time. Changing managers every 5 minutes achieves nothing but instability!