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@Leysboy Would you argue that last season’s Karl Robinson is better than Des?
Because Appleton has taken a side full of very good league 1 players (May, Camara, Isted etc) towards a relegation battle this season, and they are winless in something like 14 games, very similar to us under KR last time out, and we didn’t have many good players.
Ok poor choice of word perhaps, but he arrived to a huge amount of day one support considering a highly popular manager just walked out. By comparison, look at Manning’s welcome at Bristol City. I accept there’s a different in that the club dismissed Pearson rather than lost him, but nonetheless look at the fan reaction. Des came in to a very warm fuzzy fan base that’s been extremely patient with him. I don’t think 30 games is too soon to form a definitive opinion in football. Especially when we’ve seen how he handled adversity, how he handles a transfer window and how he handles an almost all singing and all dancing squad when compared with the vast majority of the league. He hasn’t scored close to a maximum score in any.Heroic position? Probably overstated?
Most observers I have read, heard from, have suggested that we were very unlikely to remain heroic, and the play offs were likely under Manning.
I would agree that if we drop out of the play offs then it will be an opportunity wasted, but that doesn't mean that we should sack Des necessarily, and doesn't mean that I dislike the guy.
Hopefully we will be patient
I think Des will turn things around
Some on here would have had Jim Smith sacked first time around after we blew a very good position when he first came in following Ian Greaves' departure mid-season. We stuck with him, thankfully.Thinking back over our recent-ish history, we've always struggled if a manager leaves and the club is in with a chance of promotion. I'm thinking back to Wilder, before him Atkins. Both times we fell away badly afterwards under Mickey Lewis (Wilder) and Graham Rix (Atkins). So this downturn is hardly unexpected. I don't think we've ever won promotion if we've changed manager during the season.
I've said elsewhere, in my opinion, it's too soon to say if Buckingham is any good or not. With Manning, we only implemented a style (as such) once he'd had a full pre-season with the players. If the club appoint these types of managers then they have to give them the time to implement their style/structure on the players.
Likewise Appleton - although I was in the sack Appleton camp back then.Some on here would have had Jim Smith sacked first time around after we blew a very good position when he first came in following Ian Greaves' departure mid-season. We stuck with him, thankfully.
They aren’t much different in terms of results, and I expect there PPG is pretty close too.
Des has brought in a keeper of repute in the lower leagues, a midfielder with two successive L1 promotions, a player who was Millwalls POTY in the Championship, a winger who's last two clubs have ben at the top end of L1, a striker for £400,000, a left back who's spent virtually his entire career in the Championship or PL. On top of that he's been gifted Brannagan, arguably one of the best midfielders around at this level, Moore who's as good as any centre back in L1, a Welsh international in Harris who he clearly rates, and other very decent L1 players like Brown, McGuane, Bodin etc. Then there's a young player like Goodrham who's bailed him out a few times.
Yes, there's some dead wood but there is at every club, that's the cycle of football. To suggest Buckingham hasn't got the tools at his disposal (6 or 7 of whom are his signings) to make a better fist of the job than he's doing is absolutely ridiculous. He has players who are clearly capable of beating the likes of Wycombe, Cheltenham, Northampton (twice), Orient, Blackpool and Reading (twice) under the right guidance.
Anyone thinking that Tim and Co are going to admit that they got things wrong again by sacking Des has clearly missed the vibe.
They will be writing their own resignation letter if they are seen by our owners that they got it wrong once again.
Their future is solely dependent on Des being successful here.
They sanctioned a hefty fee for his services and that on the back of their woeful wet handling of Knobinsons denouement means that they are nailed to the mast of HMS Buckingham for the foreseeable.
This is totally incorrect. Just look at the record of these players under Manning before the owners made the worst ever decision in football and appointed someone with absolutely no EFL or equivalent experience who is clearly out of his depth and worse still substantial compensation was paid to get him. Just why ?Exactly this.
We need to move players on like Bodin, Long, Henry, McEachran, Seddon, Findlay, Smyth and Browne IMO and bring in much better as well get a more balanced squad before we truly judge Des. He is dealing with the fall out of 2 managers not just 1.
Well at least the des out lot are being reasonableThis is totally incorrect. Just look at the record of these players under Manning before the owners made the worst ever decision in football and appointed someone with absolutely no EFL or equivalent experience who is clearly out of his depth and worse still substantial compensation was paid to get him. Just why ?
Yeah and he also lost 2 Wembley finals & missed out on a title to Northampton (our squad was 2 times better on paper)
I just can't understand this viewpoint. It's based on nothing more than hope. There hasn't been evidence of turning round, if anything it's getting worse. Sometimes it'd better to own the mistake.Hopefully we will be patient
I think Des will turn things around