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What a load of nonsense. Last season Ipswich were the best team I've seen down here and have a shot of going straight up again under McKenna in his first manager role. They didn't win the league though because Plymouth did under Schumacher, in his first manager role. This season it looks like Pompey are going up with a chance of winning the league under Mous, in his first manager role. Lincoln are our main threat for the playoffs under Skubala in his first manager role (his background is in a different sport). Barnsley should be in there with a manager who's previous job was second tier in America. John Brady got Northampton up last year half a decade after his only other managerial job at Brackley finished.One hit wonders.
A bit like fishing for a Jamie Vardy in non Lge.
Experienced heads do matter.
Lord Wilder was experienced in non Lge, and got us out of there. It can be done if you have the right people leading the recruitment process.
All I'm suggesting, and others at the time were, was that we should have got rid of Robinson much earlier (I'd have done it as soon as the previous season finished but bar a small handful on here most could see the writing was on the wall by October) and given it to Mous temporarily to start. He gets to take charge and we have first hand experience of how he'd cope at our club with players he already knows and have performed for him before when he had stepped in. If it hadn't worked then we would have been in no worse situation. It was a complete cock up.This is like debating if Iron Mike Tyson would’ve beaten AJ now! Actually it’s more absurd because there are so many factors to consider and also factors none of us can know. Existing and new Coaches, recruitment team, squad mentality, squad ability level, backing, money available. How our players would’ve taken to him etc etc. oh and that’s at both clubs!
You'll get no arguments from me here, I'm not sure anyone on here has been as critical as I have about the lack of support he's been given. They got lucky when Manning and Hogg got us organised and with a strong tail wind had us second but generally everything they touch goes wrong. Tim especially is like King Midas, but rather than gold everything he touches turns to s**t.Fact is Des doesn’t have the team behind him he really wants and our recruitment team have had an absolute mare!
IF we make the play offs, then the odds would certainly be against us, but you never know in a kind of cup competition .I’m of the opinion that failure to make the play offs this season should see us part ways at the end of the season.
If we do make the top 6, I don’t think we are capable of beating any of the sides above us over 2 legs. If we manage to do that then that will be a big tick in Des favour in my opinion. Obviously a L1 play off final is a bit of a lottery.
If we make the play offs (which is the minimum from what was inherited) then Des deserves a summer to have an another crack at it next season.
Do you think I’m being fair there? @ECYellow
What if we miss the playoffs by goal difference? A bit harsh to sack a guy for that. Or if we crawl feebly into them after Lincoln implode, do we have to keep Des for ever?I’m of the opinion that failure to make the play offs this season should see us part ways at the end of the season.
If we do make the top 6, I don’t think we are capable of beating any of the sides above us over 2 legs. If we manage to do that then that will be a big tick in Des favour in my opinion. Obviously a L1 play off final is a bit of a lottery.
If we make the play offs (which is the minimum from what was inherited) then Des deserves a summer to have an another crack at it next season.
Do you think I’m being fair there? @ECYellow
It’s funny though because the go to app Fotmob has Cameron Brannagan as the best player in league 1 on the season ratings ahead of so many good players. I massively think the new 4-1-4-1 formation is going to get the best out of our players with more defensive full backs hopefully making us more solid and the wingers hopefully creating more good or very good chances for Harris/Goodwin.Comparing Manning to Buckingham in terms of style of play. Manning knew what his players were capable of and more importantly what they were not good at. Players were asked to play in their comfort zone, do the things they were good at, in a style they could understand. He was literally getting a quart out of a pint pot.
Buckingham just wants to play his way irrespective of his player skill sets. We concede goals because full backs are caught out of position. We make reckless passes out of defence because we no longer have a midfield of substance. Our defending of corners is bordering on suicidal.
The players are exposed game in game out, confidence is mostly shot away. The only players who prosper are the wide players because the whole plan is to feed them. I really wonder if this style can be sucessful in League 1. It worked in the Indian Premier League great, but I'm sure the overall management nous across this league is superior. We are nowhere near having the players to play that way. Indeed we need a complete rebuild to even try, a bit of tinkering will not do it.
We just look so easy to play against and teams quickly adapt to any subtle change of shape. Now we appear to be getting a pint out of a quart pot. We look to be on a journey to mid table mediocrity for time immemorial. Depressing is the only emotion.
What if we miss the playoffs by goal difference? A bit harsh to sack a guy for that. Or if we crawl feebly into them after Lincoln implode, do we have to keep Des for ever?
IF we make the play offs, then the odds would certainly be against us, but you never know in a kind of cup competition .
Was it Huddersfield who won the Championship play offs without scoring a goal ( and I think that they stayed up in the PL the next season).
I’m of the opinion that failure to make the play offs this season should see us part ways at the end of the season.
If we do make the top 6, I don’t think we are capable of beating any of the sides above us over 2 legs. If we manage to do that then that will be a big tick in Des favour in my opinion. Obviously a L1 play off final is a bit of a lottery.
If we make the play offs (which is the minimum from what was inherited) then Des deserves a summer to have an another crack at it next season.
Do you think I’m being fair there? @ECYellow
2023/24 League One Date Range: 16-NOV-2023 to 3-APR-2024
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Too much time on my hands. Here is the league table since Des Buckingham took over. As everyone knows a mid table performance. Impressed with Reading's form lets hope they can beat Lincoln on Saturday. Lincoln replaced their manger on the 13th November 3 days before Des was appointed
2023/24 League One Date Range: 16-NOV-2023 to 3-APR-2024
Pos TeamP W D L GF GA W D L GF GA GD Pts 1 Derby County 25 9 2 2 23 13 8 1 3 19 7 22 54 2 Portsmouth 24 7 1 2 20 14 8 4 2 19 7 18 50 3 Barnsley 24 6 4 3 17 18 7 4 0 25 15 9 47 4 Lincoln City 25 6 5 2 22 7 6 3 3 18 10 23 44 5 Peterborough United 23 6 2 4 27 17 7 2 2 19 15 14 43 6 Bolton Wanderers 24 7 2 1 30 11 4 5 5 15 16 18 40 7 Reading 25 8 2 3 26 13 3 5 4 17 21 9 40 8 Northampton Town 26 7 3 3 17 12 4 3 6 19 28 -4 39 9 Leyton Orient 25 5 3 5 13 15 6 2 4 16 11 3 38 10 Blackpool 24 6 4 1 21 6 5 0 8 12 14 13 37 11 Stevenage 24 5 4 3 12 8 4 4 4 16 15 5 35 12 Exeter City 25 4 6 3 10 11 5 1 6 14 21 -8 34 13 Wigan Athletic 24 7 3 3 15 8 2 3 6 14 22 -1 33 14 Oxford United 25 5 4 3 23 15 3 4 6 13 22 -1 32 15 Wycombe Wanderers 24 5 4 4 21 18 2 4 5 8 10 1 29 16 Cheltenham Town 22 5 2 4 17 15 3 3 5 9 12 -1 29 17 Bristol Rovers 24 4 3 5 13 16 4 1 7 13 23 -13 28 18 Shrewsbury Town 24 3 2 7 10 18 4 3 5 10 16 -14 26 19 Charlton Athletic 25 2 5 4 13 15 2 8 4 18 21 -5 25 20 Cambridge United 23 4 2 5 11 13 3 2 7 13 23 -12 25 21 Port Vale 24 3 3 7 18 21 2 2 7 7 18 -14 20 22 Burton Albion 24 3 1 8 8 16 2 4 6 9 18 -17 20 23 Fleetwood Town 25 2 4 7 13 19 1 5 6 11 23 -18 18 24 Carlisle United 24 1 3 8 13 28 2 1 9 13 25 -27 13
They have been deducted 6 points this season and if you add them on then they would be as high as…15th!There's your reason why - as I've said previously - Ruben Selles should be our number one managerial target should Des depart. Was it 10 points Reading were deducted ? Stick that on and what an absolutely outstanding job he's done. Like the way Reading play too, lot of good technical players, lot of pace and move the ball quickly.
They have been deducted 6 points this season and if you add them on then they would be as high as…15th!
He’s had to contend with a lot and done a good job, but let’s not act like it’s a miracle he’s kept that squad up - Knibbs, Smith, Wing, Azeez, Savage, Button, Holmes. He had Abbey, McIntyre and Vickers who all got good moves in January as well.That's a great job from the bottom of the league. Look at the off field issues he has to contend with too. Anyone who doesn't think he's done an outstanding job doesn't have a clue what a good job done in football is!
Lincoln’s away record looks extremely formidable. Let’s hope we break the run for them. A draw is clearly no good to us, but I bet Lincoln would take itToo much time on my hands. Here is the league table since Des Buckingham took over. As everyone knows a mid table performance. Impressed with Reading's form lets hope they can beat Lincoln on Saturday. Lincoln replaced their manger on the 13th November 3 days before Des was appointed
2023/24 League One Date Range: 16-NOV-2023 to 3-APR-2024
Pos TeamP W D L GF GA W D L GF GA GD Pts 1 Derby County 25 9 2 2 23 13 8 1 3 19 7 22 54 2 Portsmouth 24 7 1 2 20 14 8 4 2 19 7 18 50 3 Barnsley 24 6 4 3 17 18 7 4 0 25 15 9 47 4 Lincoln City 25 6 5 2 22 7 6 3 3 18 10 23 44 5 Peterborough United 23 6 2 4 27 17 7 2 2 19 15 14 43 6 Bolton Wanderers 24 7 2 1 30 11 4 5 5 15 16 18 40 7 Reading 25 8 2 3 26 13 3 5 4 17 21 9 40 8 Northampton Town 26 7 3 3 17 12 4 3 6 19 28 -4 39 9 Leyton Orient 25 5 3 5 13 15 6 2 4 16 11 3 38 10 Blackpool 24 6 4 1 21 6 5 0 8 12 14 13 37 11 Stevenage 24 5 4 3 12 8 4 4 4 16 15 5 35 12 Exeter City 25 4 6 3 10 11 5 1 6 14 21 -8 34 13 Wigan Athletic 24 7 3 3 15 8 2 3 6 14 22 -1 33 14 Oxford United 25 5 4 3 23 15 3 4 6 13 22 -1 32 15 Wycombe Wanderers 24 5 4 4 21 18 2 4 5 8 10 1 29 16 Cheltenham Town 22 5 2 4 17 15 3 3 5 9 12 -1 29 17 Bristol Rovers 24 4 3 5 13 16 4 1 7 13 23 -13 28 18 Shrewsbury Town 24 3 2 7 10 18 4 3 5 10 16 -14 26 19 Charlton Athletic 25 2 5 4 13 15 2 8 4 18 21 -5 25 20 Cambridge United 23 4 2 5 11 13 3 2 7 13 23 -12 25 21 Port Vale 24 3 3 7 18 21 2 2 7 7 18 -14 20 22 Burton Albion 24 3 1 8 8 16 2 4 6 9 18 -17 20 23 Fleetwood Town 25 2 4 7 13 19 1 5 6 11 23 -18 18 24 Carlisle United 24 1 3 8 13 28 2 1 9 13 25 -27 13
Lincoln’s away record looks extremely formidable. Let’s hope we break the run for them. A draw is clearly no good to us, but I bet Lincoln would take it
A draw could be ok if we are ahead of Lincoln when we play them.Lincoln’s away record looks extremely formidable. Let’s hope we break the run for them. A draw is clearly no good to us, but I bet Lincoln would take it
If we’re still level after that game, 6 points from Cheltenham away and Portsmouth home is no certainty. I’d rather have Stevenage and Exeter, especially if Pompey haven’t won the league by then.A draw could be ok if we are ahead of Lincoln when we play them.