Witneyoldfella
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On a personal note I would rollover if possible onto next seasons season ticket., but who knows on that.
Hopefully rehearsing will be possible relatively soon, if the rehearsal place reopensThe first three for me, and the 'live music' one is especially hard. I enjoy going to gigs and playing them (and even rehearsing!), plus I attend and help to lead a pub music event once every week. That's a huge chunk of my social life. I can't say that an easing of the lockdown restrictions so that Primark, phone shops and the local department store re-open will make any positive difference to my life or state of mind. It is exactly those sport/music live events that I am waiting for, and I suspect they will be the last to return.
That would be good - we might even be vaguely competent then by the time the gigs come around!Hopefully rehearsing will be possible relatively soon, if the rehearsal place reopens
That's the same for me. In my mind the season ticket I bought at this time last year is paid for. It is not the club's fault I'll not see as many games as I'd hoped - but then I might have been ill during the season and missed games. I wouldn't have tried to get money back then, and I am thinking of it in the same way. If this helps the club survive, I am content enough.
As with Manorlounger, I appreciate that not everyone can afford to think this way.
I'd like my money back for the away ticket I bought for Wycombe though
And i dont see why recording studios couldn't be open by the autumnThat would be good - we might even be vaguely competent then by the time the gigs come around!
One of the world’s biggest concert promoters have been saying internally for the last two weeks that they’re prepared for NO concerts until a vaccine. I would happily name them but I’m not meant to have been told about the memo, and I’m worried they’ll come here and kill me in my sleep.
Genuinely, if that’s what the live concert / festival industry is braced for, football has no chance.
Just to add, I think it’s going to go the way of sterilised sound stages providing paid live streams from the biggest acts in the world. If there are no events and no ticket sales it only leaves streaming.
Stone Foundation did a broadcast ( albeit footage - previously unseen- of an entire gig they played last year , with special guests including Paul Weller, Steve White & Graham Parker) online a coupla weeks ago , they had a virtual merch stall on the night too ... think that had 3-4k watchers/listeners , and about another 1k watched it retrospectively.... they did the broadcast for free , & did 'rather well' on merch salesBit off topic and I may be out of touch here but is their a big market for streamed live music with no crowd?
There is when it’s literally the only option available. If you could have no food at all or some food you don’t like but can stomach, you’ll pick the latter over starving. That’s where the world is going - people can’t have whatever they want on their terms anymore, so choices and habits will evolve.Bit off topic and I may be out of touch here but is their a big market for streamed live music with no crowd?
No, long term the industry will be ok, but there is a generation of new bands that may have had a chance who will no find their progress just stops. Bands like Kanadia, The Clause, White Lakes, Otherkin, who are on the brink of going somewhere suddenly have nothing happening possibly for a year. Could be a career ender for a fair few artists. Feel for them.the promoters and the music industry won’t collapse without a fight
Absolutely. It’s battering a lot of established artists as well, but at least when this thing is over people will want to see them. A dedicated and established fan base is going to count for a lot. It’s going to be really intriguing to see what it all looks like at the end of it.No, long term the industry will be ok, but there is a generation of new bands that may have had a chance who will no find their progress just stops. Bands like Kanadia, The Clause, White Lakes, Otherkin, who are on the brink of going somewhere suddenly have nothing happening possibly for a year. Could be a career ender for a fair few artists. Feel for them.
There is when it’s literally the only option available. If you could have no food at all or some food you don’t like but can stomach, you’ll pick the latter over starving. That’s where the world is going - people can’t have whatever they want on their terms anymore, so choices and habits will evolve.
Live streamed music performances have been growing in recent years, but they’re usually free to view and are aimed at viewership and reach rather than going behind a paywall. If massive stars make a big deal out of doing one and bring out a load of ‘surprises’ and generally roll it in glitter, and it’s that or nothing, it could happen. That or the promoters will stage the event and take their cash through sponsorship.
One thing is for sure - the promoters and the music industry won’t collapse without a fight. Too much money is at stake. Whatever ways there are to try to make money, these people will find them.
Difficult one. Social Media tends to be a way to get stuff out there and heard, not with a thought on monitisation, although of course there will be some small income stream from YouTube views. It wouldn't surprise me to see live sets released on Spotify as well, once again this will trickle money in. Small bands however? What would be good would be one of the media outlets putting together a sort of 'jools Holland later from home' type thing, with a mix of established and smaller acts being showcased every week, bigger acts drawing views, then hopefully smaller ones getting some exposure.The thing I don’t get is that don’t a lot of acts already have a lot of live content (with crowds present) available for free all over the internet? I can see why people might pay to watch a behind closed doors sporting event as that has a bearing on who wins leagues etc, but seeing a band play a song live that you can already watch/listen to them play very easily for free?
I suppose they will have to think of something extra to make it seem worth shelling out for, I struggle to see what though.
Everyone knows that the presently rescheduled dates won’t happen, but it’s largely been done to buy promoters time before having to process all of those refunds, or hopefully avoiding many of them completely - they’re working like travel agents in that regard - but also because despite what some people have maintained it was true that insurance wasn’t paying out while the government refused to outlaw events. I nearly had a stroke going over all that before, but it’s true! The hope is that the promoters can keep rescheduling and pushing back until a date arrives that starts to stick, and that most people will keep their tickets rather than ask for refunds. They’re basically trying to manage the demand for refunds by pushing it back repeatedly rather than cancelling, so that any refund requests that are valid don’t all happen at once. Flattening the curve, as some might say!
The last I heard a couple of weeks ago from somebody who does PR for a decent size festival (15,000 or so), the cancellation of events ordered by government only covered those scheduled until end of June - the festival they represent is in July - so it could be that they’re doing it in waves. They’re openly saying they know it’s off but they can’t say that until they’re ordered to cancel, otherwise they can’t claim certain insurances as it’ll be seen as optional.Locally both Cornbury Music Festival (2nd week in July), & Nocturne at Blenheim (3rd week in June) have yet to cancel. Surely just a matter of time?
Absolutely. I think a lot of industries that always thought of themselves as rock solid are going to be immensely humbled by this. We’ll see a lot of companies and some entire sectors disappear, I’m sure.I am sure your last point is correct. If we were told now 'you have to stay in until September and we will review it then' people just wouldn't. I know some people are being selfish already, but humans are social animals and isolating people for long periods (and telling them it might be indefinite) is not good for the mental health of *anybody*. Juggling the danger of the virus, the economy and the well being of the population is not easy, and is going to get harder.
I assume there’s also a psychological approach at play. If events too far in advance are publicly pulled, it probably won’t do some people’s mental health much good feeling like the horizon stretches on indefinitely. Hence why countries are extending their measures and lockdowns by only 2/3 weeks at a time. I’d guess there’s an element of that.