Manager/Coach Des Buckingham

Leysboy said:
I don’t think it’s right to mention names. Just that it’s a problem.

Certain player/s wanted someone else in the hot seat.

Let’s leave it at that.
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In that case they need to go, I don't care if it's Brannagan and Moore who are key players, or Smyth and O'Donka from the fringes when you have players deciding to phone it in because they either never wanted, or fell out with a manager then it destroys a club.
To give an example, Chelsea players allegedly fell out with Mourinho during 2015/2016, were in bottom third of table by start of December and the manager was sacked. Second season under Conte and the same thing happened. First season under Sari and same thing again. It becomes a habit of spoiled children.
Leysboy, if you know this to be true you should be outing the players if you really care for the football club. Buckingham may, or may not be a good coach at L1 level and he may or may not be a still here as manager in 3 / 6 / 9 / 12 months time, but the bigger issue would be us having players who put it in when they feel like. What happens if they then decide they don't like the appointment that replaces DB, or get on with it to start and then fall out with him a few months later.
 
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Jonny G said:
In that case they need to go, I don't care if it's Brannagan and Moore who are key players, or Smyth and O'Donka from the fringes when you have players deciding to phone it in because they either never wanted, or fell out with a manager then it destroys a club. To give an example, Chelsea players allegedly fell out with Mourinho during 2015/2016, were in bottom third of table by start of December and the manager was sacked. Second season under Conte and the same thing happened. First season under Sari and same thing again. It becomes a habit of spoiled children.
Leysboy, if you know this to be true you should be outing the players if you really care for the football club. Buckingham may, or may not be a good coach at L1 level and he may or may not be a still here as manager in 3 / 6 / 9 / 12 months time, but the bigger issue would be us having players who put it in when they feel like. What happens if they then decide they don't like the appointment that replaces DB, or get on with it to start and then fall out with him a few months later.
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It's a bit more difficult to 'out' players when you're simply repeating hearsay, or just making it up.
 
QuietYeller said:
No, squad isn’t good enough
And you honestly think manning would have us in the top 2 with the injuries that derailed us for about 2-3 months?
You’re full of crap matey!!

Out of a squad of 26 we are minimum 7 players short to make autos
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No way this squad is getting automatically promoted playing most or all the season without a decent right back, holding mid or striker and center backs that can’t play the ball out
 
Joey said:
Last season we saw the best side I've seen at this level in Ipswich, currently third in the Championship, being managed by someone who had only worked as youth team manager previously, never taken on responsibility for the whole club. They still didn't win the league because Plymouth pipped them to it under Schumacher who was in his first management role. Pompey are odds on to win the league in Mous' first full season in his first job as a manager. Barnsley are chasing down the autos as well with a guy who's only managerial experience was with the Tampa Bay Rowdies. They all fit the "young , innovative coach with new ideas" mould that you mentioned, and I suspect they also received a hell of a lot more support than Des has.

This isn't to say he's doing a fantastic job either but the whole reason for taking against him is absolutely bizarre.
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Totally correct, but for each raw recruit sucess there are raw recruit failures. Not a great example but Troy Deeney lasted 6 games.
Any new managerial appointment is a risk in any environment, will they fit the culture, will they fit the senior management style, will they enthuse their colleagues. The majority that work bring in somebody to maintain the existing working model if the model is working. Short term continuity is key, changes are made gradually and are hardly noticeable. Most staff do not like change it tends to affect performance in the short term. That is not required if your model is working
Appointing perfect choices time after time is a skill. Most that do it well constantly have a very specific criteria set, they know the mindset required. Sport is always difficult because the game is highly psychological. Small changes can have dramatic effects on performance.
Another interesting study in business generally not sport by CEO Global shows 60% of all new managers fail within 24 months, and the primary reason for failure is they were never trained to manage. The feeling you have to change to exert authority is literally the biggest failure most make.
 
I'm not a Des fan but I'd say that's probably the best performance by a Des team I've seen.

If we'd have won, the general feeling would be positive from many on here.

Murphy looked good, Brannagan at his best and Long played well.

Overall we weren't troubled by Northampton. If a couple of those chances go in, it would feel better.

Again, Des isn't for me personally. I don't see him as a promotion manager. Maybe he can learn and develop in the English game?

Please read the above as balanced. I'm not saying he's rubbish. I'm saying he's not a promotion manager 'yet'.
 
Joey said:
Highlighting this bit. Generally I agree, it's been hard to see a plan under Des (maybe having an assistant might help but I've been over the lack of support he's had enough times) but last night was a textbook Manning game. We scored early, passed the ball around the back for massive chunks and had complete control of the match. The difference was we made some awful mistakes and they were punished when often we got away with them before. If it hadn't been for a brain fart from Long, a player 30 yards offside being allowed to block Negru and then 3 or 4 more mistakes after that we'd have won 2-1 and taken the 3 points.

This will sound silly as it's a results business but people are letting the outcome cloud their judgement, on another day the lino puts his flag up, we win the game and everyone on here agrees that we deserved to even though it was very dull, as was the case plenty of times earlier in the season. Personally I'd rather we were more adventurous, I said the same when Manning was in charge and remember a debate with several members after the Shrewsbury game when we won 3-0 but I wasn't that impressed, but there was clearly a plan last night. The manager could have us playing more attacking football but he also can't legislate for those goals we gave away.
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I've seen a few people allude to the idea that individual errors leading to poor results aren't Des' fault. While I do agree, aren't all managers judged based on a player/players individual errors? I'm not sure I've seen many other managers be afforded such excuses for poor results, though.

The fact we're well over 20 games into Des' reign and most of us don't know what the plan/style of football we're trying to play speaks volumes. We just seem to fumble around the pitch without any invention or creation. The movement for much of the second half last night was appalling - the amount of times we had the ball at the back and everyone (bar Brannagan before he came off as usual) further up the pitch was stood still was a joke.

I just don't think we've seen any evidence that Des will get us playing.
 
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MustardYellow said:
I've seen a few people allude to the idea that individual errors leading to poor results aren't Des' fault. While I do agree, aren't all managers judged based on a player/players individual errors? I'm not sure I've seen many other managers be afforded such excuses for poor results, though.

The fact we're well over 20 games into Des' reign and most of us don't know what the plan/style of football we're trying to play speaks volumes. We just seem to fumble around the pitch without any invention or creation. The movement for much of the second half last night was appalling - the amount of times we had the ball at the back and everyone (bar Brannagan before he came off as usual) further up the pitch was stood still was a joke.

I just don't think we've seen any evidence that Des will get us playing.
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But how long has Bodin and Long been playing football?. It’s not like des brought them to the club, or has stupidly played them out of position, or taken a risk on a youngster etc.
Senior players have to take responsibility as well
 
QuietYeller said:
But how long has Bodin and Long been playing football?. It’s not like des brought them to the club, or has stupidly played them out of position, or taken a risk on a youngster etc.
Senior players have to take responsibility as well
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I agree. I sometimes do think players are let off the hook far too easy, however regardless of the mistakes last night we were once again uninventive and without clear direction - that criticism has to land at the feet of Des.
 
MustardYellow said:
I agree. I sometimes do think players are let off the hook far too easy, however regardless of the mistakes last night we were once again uninventive and without clear direction - that criticism has to land at the feet of Des.
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It’s been disappointing lately but I thought we did a lot more, more than enough to win (even amid some seriously tedious backpassing!)
I get the feeling just see what you want to see.
 
We weren't univentive and without clear direction. We pretty much played them off the park yesterday I don't think Cummings had a save to make. We scored two good goals and created several other chances, and didn't finish them.

We offered them two chances and they took both of them. We were missing our captain and our most influential player was taken off injured.

Of the team that stayed on the pitch at the end the players who have made the most appearances this season are Ciaron Brown and Tyler Goodrham. Then Long and Rodrigues. the majority of the team have only played a handful of games.
 
At league one level (especially) players make individual errors. We have to accept that. Strikers miss chances, players misplace passes, defenders make errors. The best teams are one which respond to errors by team-mates by digging them out of trouble. I don't think scapegoating of individuals achieves anything. I'd just like to see a team that responds collectively to every mistake, and does its best to rescue the situation.
 
chromeyellow said:
We weren't univentive and without clear direction. We pretty much played them off the park yesterday I don't think Cummings had a save to make. We scored two good goals and created several other chances, and didn't finish them.

We offered them two chances and they took both of them. We were missing our captain and our most influential player was taken off injured.

Of the team that stayed on the pitch at the end the players who have made the most appearances this season are Ciaron Brown and Tyler Goodrham. Then Long and Rodrigues. the majority of the team have only played a handful of games.
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They never even got a bloody corner!
 
Jster said:
At league one level (especially) players make individual errors. We have to accept that. Strikers miss chances, players misplace passes, defenders make errors. The best teams are one which respond to errors by team-mates by digging them out of trouble. I don't think scapegoating of individuals achieves anything. I'd just like to see a team that responds collectively to every mistake, and does its best to rescue the situation.
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If some prominent individuals are still sulking because their preferred candidate didn't get the job and are gossiping to people about how much they dislike the current manager then it's hard to see how that can create team spirit. A hypercritical crowd won't help either.
 
QuietYeller said:
Here’s the other numpty.
We wouldn’t have heard a peep out of you if we hadn’t conceded that 2nd.
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Last night was utter crap, regardless of their equaliser. From minute 6 onwards I was bored out of my mind watching aimless hoofball
 
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