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ZeroTheHero said:
It does sound as if he has got a bee in his bonnet. But because one chap has reacted like this, it doesn't prove the rule. People can obsess about *anything* to the detriment of family life, whether that be social justice, politics, gambling, conspiracy theories, flat earthism, aliens etc etc (some might say you could add a middling third division football team into that list!).
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I'm sure there are people out there who are really passionate about 'social justice' for noble reasons, although maybe slightly misguided in their ideas to fix it.

When the BLM and 'Me Too' stuff were at their height I was still a teenager. Everyone around me my age speaking passionately about it, posting things online, signing petitions, 'raising awareness' etc. It was constant for a few months. Now? nothing. Not a word on those topics for years, despite very little being different now to it was then - they're posting about Gaza now instead. How long will that go on for till they lose interest in that too? It seems to be there are 'in' things to care about, that quickly get ditched as soon as the next thing comes along.
 
MustardYellow said:
Do you genuinely believe the UK can solve all the worlds problems?
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Did anyone say the UK was trying to?

You're very black and white aren't you.

I'm also wondering what your colleagues say about you when you're not around? They clearly like a bit of a gossip and to pass judgment on their fellow employees. Maybe it makes them all feel part of the gang in some sort of perverse team building lding exercise🤔😂
 
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MustardYellow said:
I'm sure there are people out there who are really passionate about 'social justice' for noble reasons, although maybe slightly misguided in their ideas to fix it.

When the BLM and 'Me Too' stuff were at their height I was still a teenager. Everyone around me my age speaking passionately about it, posting things online, signing petitions, 'raising awareness' etc. It was constant for a few months. Now? nothing. Not a word on those topics for years, despite very little being different now to it was then - they're posting about Gaza now instead. How long will that go on for till they lose interest in that too? It seems to be there are 'in' things to care about, that quickly get ditched as soon as the next thing comes along.
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Life still has so much to teach you.
 
MustardYellow said:
When the BLM and 'Me Too' stuff were at their height I was still a teenager. Everyone around me my age speaking passionately about it, posting things online, signing petitions, 'raising awareness' etc. It was constant for a few months. Now? nothing. Not a word on those topics for years, despite very little being different now to it was then - they're posting about Gaza now instead. How long will that go on for till they lose interest in that too? It seems to be there are 'in' things to care about, that quickly get ditched as soon as the next thing comes along.
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Is "some young people have relatively short attention spans" really news?
 
MustardYellow said:
I'm sure there are people out there who are really passionate about 'social justice' for noble reasons, although maybe slightly misguided in their ideas to fix it.

When the BLM and 'Me Too' stuff were at their height I was still a teenager. Everyone around me my age speaking passionately about it, posting things online, signing petitions, 'raising awareness' etc. It was constant for a few months. Now? nothing. Not a word on those topics for years, despite very little being different now to it was then - they're posting about Gaza now instead. How long will that go on for till they lose interest in that too? It seems to be there are 'in' things to care about, that quickly get ditched as soon as the next thing comes along.
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My offspring (they are no longer children) are probably about your age - I think you said you were 30 or so? Both of them (and their partners) have fairly strong views on social justice, gender identity and politics (and have done so for years!). They seem to live their lives quite successfully in every other way while caring about those things and trying to carry out their beliefs in their personal lives and boycotting businesses/organisations that don't. They have been known to go down to London to show their solidarity for various causes by taking part in marches (as I did in my youth, various Rock Against Racism and anti NF stuff mostly).

Such protests *can* make a difference (the reversal of the poll tax, pressure on the government over South Africa, equality legislation, even universal and female suffrage back in the past etc) - and I actually think that if you are not interested and engaged in the wider world, then it actually makes your life poorer. But you do you - nobody can or would want you to behave in any way that makes you uncomfortable, and in the same way being perplexed and slightly dismissive of those who take more of an interest than you do (while assuming they are all either obsessed or just do so to be trendy) is way wide of the mark IMO.
 
Essexyellows said:
First food bank opened 24 years ago.

Welfare reform is one of, if not the primary cause for the growth in use. Since 2010, the structure of the welfare system has been deliberately changed to provide overall less support to working age claimants.

Now you can see that as good or bad depending on your life views.

I would probably suggest said working age claimants seek employment - others will come up with reasons why they shouldn`t.
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How about all the people who work and still have to rely on foodbanks? Something not right there.
 
Eric Blair said:
That is a massive point. As is the rise of in-work benefits. Outside of financial services we're not great at attracting highly skilled jobs across multiple sectors.
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And more than a little ironic that it has happened under the stewardship of a government who are pretending that "making work pay" is one of their top priorities, whilst in reality they've done next to nothing to actually make that happen.
 
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MustardYellow said:
I'm sure there are people out there who are really passionate about 'social justice' for noble reasons, although maybe slightly misguided in their ideas to fix it.

When the BLM and 'Me Too' stuff were at their height I was still a teenager. Everyone around me my age speaking passionately about it, posting things online, signing petitions, 'raising awareness' etc. It was constant for a few months. Now? nothing. Not a word on those topics for years, despite very little being different now to it was then - they're posting about Gaza now instead. How long will that go on for till they lose interest in that too? It seems to be there are 'in' things to care about, that quickly get ditched as soon as the next thing comes along.
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I think that you’ve missed the point somewhat.
Yes most people go off the boil after a while but things do change. Look at me too, Weinstein etc, whilst the spotlight goes away the change happens. In the social media BLM thing do you think it made no difference? I’d disagree,
There’s literally thousands of examples where a spotlight has changed things. Stonewall, windrush the post office just a few off of the top of my head.
 
MustardYellow said:
Do you genuinely believe the UK can solve all the worlds problems?
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You're a good lad @MustardYellow but surely the answer is that we try and solve our own problems as best we can (not easy) and we try and help resolve other global problems as best we can. The debate though is how much resource (cash, time, emotional investment) we devote individually and nationally to each one. That's where the discussion is. It's not about offering no help at all or trying to solve everything.
 
Sheik djibouti said:
Did anyone say the UK was trying to?

You're very black and white aren't you.

I'm also wondering what your colleagues say about you when you're not around? They clearly like a bit of a gossip and to pass judgment on their fellow employees. Maybe it makes them all feel part of the gang in some sort of perverse team building lding exercise🤔😂
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I've been told numerous times that we should fix all our problems here as well as around the world, so I'm curious how far you all would like to take things. Do we let some people starve and feed others?

I'm not too bothered what they say when I'm not around, everyone's entitled to have an opinion on me!
 
MustardYellow said:
I'm sure there are people out there who are really passionate about 'social justice' for noble reasons, although maybe slightly misguided in their ideas to fix it.

When the BLM and 'Me Too' stuff were at their height I was still a teenager. Everyone around me my age speaking passionately about it, posting things online, signing petitions, 'raising awareness' etc. It was constant for a few months. Now? nothing. Not a word on those topics for years, despite very little being different now to it was then - they're posting about Gaza now instead. How long will that go on for till they lose interest in that too? It seems to be there are 'in' things to care about, that quickly get ditched as soon as the next thing comes along.
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How do you manage to complain about people going on about things they are passionate about and people not going on about things they are passionate about at the same time?🤷
 
MustardYellow said:
I've been told numerous times that we should fix all our problems here as well as around the world, so I'm curious how far you all would like to take things. Do we let some people starve and feed others?

I'm not too bothered what they say when I'm not around, everyone's entitled to have an opinion on me!
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I would like to take things as far as Droitwich.

I would like to let Genghis Kahn and Frosty the snowman starve, and I would like to feed Huw Edwards and Kirsty Gallagher.
 
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I would like to take things as far as Droitwich.

I would like to let Genghis Kahn and Frosty the snowman starve, and I would like to feed Huw Edwards and Kirsty Gallagher.
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I think with global warming the last thing on Frosty the Snowman's mind will be the availability of his primary food source...
 
ZeroTheHero said:
My offspring (they are no longer children) are probably about your age - I think you said you were 30 or so? Both of them (and their partners) have fairly strong views on social justice, gender identity and politics (and have done so for years!). They seem to live their lives quite successfully in every other way while caring about those things and trying to carry out their beliefs in their personal lives and boycotting businesses/organisations that don't. They have been known to go down to London to show their solidarity for various causes by taking part in marches (as I did in my youth, various Rock Against Racism and anti NF stuff mostly).

Such protests *can* make a difference (the reversal of the poll tax, pressure on the government over South Africa, equality legislation, even universal and female suffrage back in the past etc) - and I actually think that if you are not interested and engaged in the wider world, then it actually makes your life poorer. But you do you - nobody can or would want you to behave in any way that makes you uncomfortable, and in the same way being perplexed and slightly dismissive of those who take more of an interest than you do (while assuming they are all either obsessed or just do so to be trendy) is way wide of the mark IMO.
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I'm not sure I understand the theory that not making other people's problems your problem in some way makes your life poorer.

I never intended to dismiss those who care, I was just speaking to my experience of those who put a lot of energy into social/overseas issues. As I said in an earlier post, I'm sure there are people who are invested in these things for the right reasons, even if I may not agree with their solutions.

We all want a better world, we just disagree about the best way to go about it. In an ideal world no one would be starving, homeless, under threat etc. That's one thing we can all agree on! The means to achieving that is where not just us, but a lot of the public differ.

All this has got rather off topic though! This started by me just saying I believe 99% of the news is unnecessary and putting it in the public domain does more harm than good. Most of it is inflammatory, and it's content adds little value to our lives. I did specify previously that there are obvious exceptions to this, but I was more referring to the shite the likes of the OM and local news outlets put out.
 
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