Away Match Day Thread 29/03/24 - L1: Shrewsbury v OUFC

[Carpy]

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[Scrongo]

He had us second in the league, beating comfortably the likes of Barnsley and Derby away, following a season of utter turmoil. I don't love the bloke, but he worked wonders when you consider the trip Desball has been.

like I said, being 2nd at the beginning of the season , don't mean jack.
It's a marathon ,not a sprint...

 

[Leysboy]

I think I might go and cheer myself up, and watch a bit of Maplins Holiday camp.

Hi De Hi.

 

[Northernyellow]

I'm pretty sure Buckingham isn't going to make it long term, I'm afraid. But at least today, we saw how he wants to play. As we also played at Port Vale. I know I'm in the minority, but I didn't think today was that bad. We attacked often, and with pace. On any other day, we win that by 4 or 5. The season absolutely isn't over.

 

[Sarge]

We simply don’t have players that can finish

fair point ... and correct on todays showing

 

[tonyw]

But despite everything you said about the lead up to their goal, and yes Moore's first clearance was a bit clumsy and off balance, I thought Brown's clearing header under pressure was then half decent, the closing down on the edge of the box might have been a bit better as their player got a shot of sorts away, the actual shot that the team afforded the opposition given the previous 30 seconds of a bit of disarray became one as good as you can allow under the circumstances, and 99999 times out of 100,000 your keeper is saving. The shot is easily saved, panic over, the game keeps going, we win 1-0.

This is League 1 football, attackers at this level generally do have a moment in each game which you can do nothing about, and defenders or midfielders tend to not do their job properly all of the time. Shots from the opposition team happen. It is fine margins and often turns into what you can get away with in every game. We got away with it to give a chance that turned out to be of minimal probability of it going into the net. The liability that has become our goalkeeper turns this into a goal that should never have been. Goalkeeper errors happen too. But they have become too regular and absolutely horrific of late. You can say that we needed to score another goal to make the game safe. And ideally you would. But it is far more difficult for anyone to score a goal than it is for a keeper to save the shot that Cumming has just let in. We didn't need another goal today. We just needed a basic save to be made.

I agree that Cumming needs to make that save, and if he does - we probably win.

But what I'm also saying is that our play over the past few months has been so frantic, so lacking in calmness and authority that we are always susceptible to mistakes like that.

Shrewsbury were just a poor, poor side. Almost no quality in their squad.....just a fair amount of strength, heart and industry. They were exactly the same the first time we played them back in October.

That first game, we had 71% possession, made 707 passes and they had only 4 shots over the course of the 90 minutes
Today, we had 58% possession, made 470 passes and they had 15 shots. We still should have won, but you give up that many opportunities - and Shrewsbury had the ball in a dangerous position a lot today - and you're going to be at risk of an error or a piece of out-of-nowhere individual brilliance.

Again, the key word for me is control. We controlled a lot of games under Manning; we've barely seen it once under Des.

And a lot of that comes from central midfield - and how much of the complete loss of form from McGuane and Rodrigues is down to the manager, and how much is down to the players themselves, I have no idea. But we're a black hole in the centre of the park a lot of the time at the moment, and until we sort that out (which likely isn't until next season at this point), then we're going to continue to drop a bunch of points we shouldn't.

 

[OX14]

like I said, being 2nd at the beginning of the season , don't mean jack.
It's a marathon ,not a sprint...

He had us second in the table which he would of built on in the January window with signings like Mehmeti and probably would of held on to Beadle. He coached the players so they had a clear vision of their roles. The majority of games under Des i've watched ,the players aren't sure what the game plan is.

 

[QuietYeller]

you could say that about a lot of our players but he was consistently our best player earlier in the season and now he has had a couple of games out I think he deserves a chance again.

He definitely was but something has changed big time with him. If there’s any truth to the players “downing tools” argument then he’s one of them. Either that or he’s lost his confidence.

 

[Sarge]

I agree that Cumming needs to make that save, and if he does - we probably win.

But what I'm also saying is that our play over the past few months has been so frantic, so lacking in calmness and authority that we are always susceptible to mistakes like that.

Shrewsbury were just a poor, poor side. Almost no quality in their squad.....just a fair amount of strength, heart and industry. They were exactly the same the first time we played them back in October.

That first game, we had 71% possession, made 707 passes and they had only 4 shots over the course of the 90 minutes
Today, we had 58% possession, made 470 passes and they had 15 shots. We still should have won, but you give up that many opportunities - and Shrewsbury had the ball in a dangerous position a lot today - and you're going to be at risk of an error or a piece of out-of-nowhere individual brilliance.

Again, the key word for me is control. We controlled a lot of games under Manning; we've barely seen it once under Des.

And a lot of that comes from central midfield - and how much of the complete loss of form from McGuane and Rodrigues is down to the manager, and how much is down to the players themselves, I have no idea. But we're a black hole in the centre of the park a lot of the time at the moment, and until we sort that out (which likely isn't until next season at this point), then we're going to continue to drop a bunch of points we shouldn't.

our midfield hasnt been all that in recent games

 

[Swaby39]

like I said, being 2nd at the beginning of the season , don't mean jack.
It's a marathon ,not a sprint...

Well Des isn’t fairing too well over the marathon, would you say? He’s had two thirds of a season and now boasts the fullest squad we’ve had all season and i can only give you one positive about the team at the moment and that’s that our wingers can go past the typical full back at will. Beyond that I’m stumped, and is that even anything to do with the coach?

I’d suggest that either Manning was very, very good or Des is very, very not. But don’t worry I’m realistic about the chances of many people facing up to either.

 

[BicesterU]

Should we have won that? Yes.
Did we have the chances to win that? Yes.
Did we take them? No.
Was it the result we wanted? No.
Is it disappointing? Yes.
Has it killed the season? No.
Can we still get in the play-offs? Yes.
Could we still go up? Yes.
Are we likely to go up? No.
Do we deserve to go up? No.
Des out? No.

 

[QuietYeller]

fair point ... and correct on todays showing

Put it this way, Pompey by all accounts haven’t been that spectacular but would they have missed the chances we had today?

 

[RgYellows]

I agree that Cumming needs to make that save, and if he does - we probably win.

But what I'm also saying is that our play over the past few months has been so frantic, so lacking in calmness and authority that we are always susceptible to mistakes like that.

Shrewsbury were just a poor, poor side. Almost no quality in their squad.....just a fair amount of strength, heart and industry. They were exactly the same the first time we played them back in October.

That first game, we had 71% possession, made 707 passes and they had only 4 shots over the course of the 90 minutes
Today, we had 58% possession, made 470 passes and they had 15 shots. We still should have won, but you give up that many opportunities - and Shrewsbury had the ball in a dangerous position a lot today - and you're going to be at risk of an error or a piece of out-of-nowhere individual brilliance.

Again, the key word for me is control. We controlled a lot of games under Manning; we've barely seen it once under Des.

And a lot of that comes from central midfield - and how much of the complete loss of form from McGuane and Rodrigues is down to the manager, and how much is down to the players themselves, I have no idea. But we're a black hole in the centre of the park a lot of the time at the moment, and until we sort that out (which likely isn't until next season at this point), then we're going to continue to drop a bunch of points we shouldn't.

I can’t get on board with the idea that allowing Shrewsbury 42% of the ball at their ground is the problem.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Well Des isn’t fairing too well over the marathon, would you say? He’s had two thirds of a season and now boasts the fullest squad we’ve had all season and i can only give you one positive about the team at the moment and that’s that our wingers can go past the typical full back at will. Beyond that I’m stumped, and is that even anything to do with the coach?

I’d suggest that either Manning was very, very good or Des is very, very not. But don’t worry I’m realistic about the chances of many people facing up to either.

Can't be bothered to get into a lot of tedious depressing arguments. There's no point you constantly typing this stuff out, the club don't read this site, or if they do they'll have blocked you. Without being very good we should have won that handsomely, I blame our dodgy keeper and lack of a goal poacher rather than Des on this occasion. We've been nervous as kittens since Beadle left, and though they weren't great today Murphy and Dale put in several excellent balls that no one anticipated or were quick enough to get to.

 

[Royalstandard74]

I've been one of the most questionable of Buckinghams leadership and technical nous, two weeks of trainingm, guess what? He hasn't a clue! The worst managerial appointment for a long time!

 

[QuietYeller]

Should we have won that? Yes.
Did we have the chances to win that? Yes.
Did we take them? No.
Was it the result we wanted? No.
Is it disappointing? Yes.
Has it killed the season? No.
Can we still get in the play-offs? Yes.
Could we still go up? Yes.
Are we likely to go up? No.
Do we deserve to go up? No.
Des out? No.

Brilliant

 

[BicesterU]

…our wingers can go past the typical full back at will. Beyond that I’m stumped, and is that even anything to do with the coach?

Please can you clarify if you’re talking about the winger the manager signed from a promotion rival, and who has quickly become a fans’ favourite, and a regular 7-8/10 performer every week, or the winger that two previous managers have tried and failed to get the best out of, but who has been the biggest threat in the side consistently over the last two months, reaching heights he hasn’t even previously hinted at, under this manager?

Cheers.

 

[QuietYeller]

I've been one of the most questionable of Buckinghams leadership and technical nous, two weeks of trainingm, guess what? He hasn't a clue! The worst managerial appointment for a long time!

This is actually quite complimentary by your standards

 

[Swaby39]

Can't be bothered to get into a lot of tedious depressing arguments. There's no point you constantly typing this stuff out, the club don't read this site, or if they do they'll have blocked you. Without being very good we should have won that handsomely, I blame our dodgy keeper and lack of a goal poacher rather than Des on this occasion. We've been nervous as kittens since Beadle left, and though they weren't great today Murphy and Dale put in several excellent balls that no one anticipated or were quick enough to get to.

Yep, your last response to me made me realise how unwelcome these opinions are which is why i stayed mostly quiet this week and during the match which I got called out for anyway. So I can’t really win.

But I’m not here for the popularity contest and wasn’t planning to contribute to the post match but got sucked in. I’ll leave it there as I can see that another poor performance/result still isn’t fair cause to discuss.

 

[Nadi-]

If our defenders could pass we would have a very good team I think. I wonder if that’s the major missing piece for the next transfer window?

We have bigger problems further forward,
Cumming hasn’t been as good as hoped, but we’re very poor defensively infront of the defence, and rather limp in front of goal

 

[dickwalton1964]

I'm pretty sure Buckingham isn't going to make it long term, I'm afraid. But at least today, we saw how he wants to play. As we also played at Port Vale. I know I'm in the minority, but I didn't think today was that bad. We attacked often, and with pace. On any other day, we win that by 4 or 5. The season absolutely isn't over.

I watched the game but can you tell me how Des wants to play? I saw loads of long over the top passes from Brown especially - are we long ball? I saw us getting men behind the ball when Shrewsbury got on top and then trying to break - are we a counter attack side? I didn’t see a particularly high press from us - I assume we aren’t a side who press the opposition? I saw a lot of balls played down the channels with Harris drifting out wide, hardly saw any overlapping or attacking involvement from full backs. Then with about 8 minutes to go I saw players taking responsibility on the ball and creating a glut of chances.

Which are we? 26 or so games in I’m none the wiser.