Manager/Coach Des Buckingham

dickwalton1964 said:
👏👏👏 Great post.

It’s so depressing the way it’s panned out. I wouldn’t say we were quite yet riding the crest of a wave under Manning but everything seemed so calm, clear and concise under him. His interviews, although a bit bland at times, were a welcome change from the hysterical ones we’d got accustomed to. The possession football we saw wasn’t something we’d seen before from Oxford but it was new, something different. He has been a huge loss to this club.
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Manning said a lot without really saying much. Never had an issue with his demeanour that I can remember. He preached a lot about emotional control and at least practiced that in how he interviewed. Boring, maybe, but he was animated enough during and after games to see he wasn’t like that 24/7.
 
battman said:
I can absolutely recognise that certain managers will get more out of certain players, just like Des with Murphy.

What I do find confusing that that almost none of the onus for players like McGuane and Rodrigues dropping off has come to the players themselves, like they’re not autonomous beings responsible for their own individual success. Not all of that comes down to the manager, nor should he be solely blamed for McGuane phoning it in.
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Don’t be fooled Murphy has pulled his finger out for one reason and one reason only. He needs a new contract. he either pushes us for an increase (look how good I am) or he has done enough to excite another team who’ll give him a nice contract and at the first hiccup he’ll be warming the bench again. Maybe that’s harsh but I don’t see how Des has motivated just 1 player in the entire squad whilst all the others look lost.
 
Shaun Rice said:
Don’t be fooled Murphy has pulled his finger out for one reason and one reason only. He needs a new contract. he either pushes us for an increase (look how good I am) or he has done enough to excite another team who’ll give him a nice contract and at the first hiccup he’ll be warming the bench again. Maybe that’s harsh but I don’t see how Des has motivated just 1 player in the entire squad whilst all the others look lost.
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Why do people repeat this sort of bullshit?
 
Osei Yaw said:
I am not saying that we should stand by Buckingham (or anyone) because of the management above them, but, if Buckingham is sacked, then it's back over to Williams and Ferguson to find the next manager.

For all the chat about PPG and the form table under Des, maybe we should be looking harder at the duo who have overseen the following:
  • Keeping Robinson for far too long
  • Not taking advantage of Mousinho when he was right under their nose
  • Giving Manning the freedom to do as he wished, but not tying him down properly
  • Bringing in Des (for a lot of money) but not supporting him properly
There are a few other bits I could mention, but those are the highlights for me. They have made critical failures with every manager they have overseen.

What makes it different next time? And when do we apply the same level of scrutiny to them as we do Des' substitutions?
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Agree in the main - good post - but I would push back on this point. The progress Pompey have made since his appointment is obviously a harsh contrast to how we have fared in the meantime, so it’s tempting to think we’d have gone on the same journey, but I think (and there’s obviously no way of proving or disproving this) that Mousinho would have struggled to make the same impact here if he’d been installed in January 2023. The whole club needed a shakeup, top to bottom. This is one reason why Manning was doing so well, I think - bringing in a whole new coaching staff and moving on old faces (if done in an unsavoury way - see the very unpleasant treatment of Brown) gave the whole club a sense of being revitalised. Would Mousinho have been able to change things up in the same way? Would he have been able to make the harsh decisions on players that he had been playing and teammates with literally weeks previously, that needed to be made? Maybe, but I’m really not sure.

Agree very much on the Des point though, and on the Manning one, which I hadn’t really considered before. In retrospect, it seems lunacy to have built an entire back room staff at the whims of one man but not tied him, or any of them, down to long term contracts. I suppose no one could have anticipated him jumping ship quite so quickly, but even so, it seems a situation that was always likely to lead to mass upheaval at Oxford United’s detriment.
 
Foley said:
Is he not allowed a different view?
Clearly not ....
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He's expressed his view and so have I. They're different. I don't think Des is a good manager at this level based on him taking us from 2nd to 7th in 24 games.
 
Shaun Rice said:
Don’t be fooled Murphy has pulled his finger out for one reason and one reason only. He needs a new contract. he either pushes us for an increase (look how good I am) or he has done enough to excite another team who’ll give him a nice contract and at the first hiccup he’ll be warming the bench again. Maybe that’s harsh but I don’t see how Des has motivated just 1 player in the entire squad whilst all the others look lost.
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Murphy wasn't picked by Manning when available - hard to see how he could have made any contribution
 
werthersoriginal said:
Why do people repeat this sort of bullshit?
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How is it bullshit?

It’s happened with lots of footballers before. They play their best football to earn a new deal.

Remember it being quite high profile when Ozil and Auba did it for Arsenal a few years ago.

A lot of people are saying it about Rashford and how he’s lost his hunger since getting a huge new deal (that he earned playing superb before it).

It’s a valid opinion he’s given & that’s your response.
 
Most players only think of themselves and I agree about Murphy. If (when) CB moves on in the summer his main concern will be whether the local fishing is any good!!
 
We will soon find out what people think of Buckingham as manager. When the season tickets are due for renewal
 
joshua said:
We will soon find out what people think of Buckingham as manager. When the season tickets are due for renewal
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How many people do you think make ST decisions based purely on the manager? And, if there was an increase in ST sales would that mean that Buckingham stays?
 
Well you do what you thinks best, cos I know what I’m doing and I’m not the only one
 
Scotchegg said:
How many people do you think make ST decisions based purely on the manager? And, if there was an increase in ST sales would that mean that Buckingham stays?
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Obviously any ST sales shows the exact number of fans who are behind Des, didn’t you realise that’s how it works?
 
ttg17 said:
Agree in the main - good post - but I would push back on this point. The progress Pompey have made since his appointment is obviously a harsh contrast to how we have fared in the meantime, so it’s tempting to think we’d have gone on the same journey, but I think (and there’s obviously no way of proving or disproving this) that Mousinho would have struggled to make the same impact here if he’d been installed in January 2023. The whole club needed a shakeup, top to bottom. This is one reason why Manning was doing so well, I think - bringing in a whole new coaching staff and moving on old faces (if done in an unsavoury way - see the very unpleasant treatment of Brown) gave the whole club a sense of being revitalised. Would Mousinho have been able to change things up in the same way? Would he have been able to make the harsh decisions on players that he had been playing and teammates with literally weeks previously, that needed to be made? Maybe, but I’m really not sure.

Agree very much on the Des point though, and on the Manning one, which I hadn’t really considered before. In retrospect, it seems lunacy to have built an entire back room staff at the whims of one man but not tied him, or any of them, down to long term contracts. I suppose no one could have anticipated him jumping ship quite so quickly, but even so, it seems a situation that was always likely to lead to mass upheaval at Oxford United’s detriment.
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As you say there was no way of knowing how we'd have done under Mousinho, but a lot of people would've been happy to have seen him given the job as a caretaker further back in September/October 2022.

It was an enormous mistake leaving Robinson in charge for so long. In some respects, I think that made his successor's role a bit easier because everyone (players and fans alike) were crying out for someone to come in and just talk calmly and sensibly. Manning did that. Mousinho was already doing that whilst he was here.

And one of our best results of that season was beating Bolton away, which Mousinho took charge of because Robinson was banned.

It's easy to say with hindsight. But many people were saying it with foresight at the time - it was just so obvious. It was well known that Mous wanted to get into management. Add in that he was already here, knew the club and had the respect of everybody and it was a simple decision. It would've been entirely understandable if they had appointed him on a caretaker basis to steady the ship and everyone would've been happy with that. I don't think he would've done worse than the (very obvious) trajectory Robinson had us on, and if he had done well then it'd have been a great move. Portsmouth's management obviously saw something in him that ours missed.

We can keep talking about the manager, head of recruitment etc that we need, but it doesn't really matter if the people at the top just simply don't get it. They have signed away millions of pounds in OUFC's name in a bid to get promotion and we haven't seen anywhere near value for money. We should really be holding them to account.
 
Osei Yaw said:
As you say there was no way of knowing how we'd have done under Mousinho, but a lot of people would've been happy to have seen him given the job as a caretaker further back in September/October 2022.

It was an enormous mistake leaving Robinson in charge for so long. In some respects, I think that made his successor's role a bit easier because everyone (players and fans alike) were crying out for someone to come in and just talk calmly and sensibly. Manning did that. Mousinho was already doing that whilst he was here.

And one of our best results of that season was beating Bolton away, which Mousinho took charge of because Robinson was banned.

It's easy to say with hindsight. But many people were saying it with foresight at the time - it was just so obvious. It was well known that Mous wanted to get into management. Add in that he was already here, knew the club and had the respect of everybody and it was a simple decision. It would've been entirely understandable if they had appointed him on a caretaker basis to steady the ship and everyone would've been happy with that. I don't think he would've done worse than the (very obvious) trajectory Robinson had us on, and if he had done well then it'd have been a great move. Portsmouth's management obviously saw something in him that ours missed.

We can keep talking about the manager, head of recruitment etc that we need, but it doesn't really matter if the people at the top just simply don't get it. They have signed away millions of pounds in OUFC's name in a bid to get promotion and we haven't seen anywhere near value for money. We should really be holding them to account.
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We are all assuming that Mousinho would have wanted the job in this particular nest and that people in the building were not aware already of his personal and professional qualities which I doubt. We will never know; Pompey could do an Ipswich or a Rotherham.
 
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