In fairness, he has ditched it before the election rather than after winning it, so the voter in this instance knows the situation.
Not saying promises aren't broken, of course they always are, but this is perhaps not a great example.
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In fairness, he has ditched it before the election rather than after winning it, so the voter in this instance knows the situation.
Not saying promises aren't broken, of course they always are, but this is perhaps not a great example.
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Not to mention the underlying reasons WHY the £28 billion pledge had to be scaled down.
Those with long enough memories to remember the nanoseconds of Liz Truss' premiership will have some understanding of why there are such massive holes in the economy that need to be addressed first. Fiscal irresponsibility and mismanagement from the Tories over the last 14 years has been nothing short of horrific and in the same way the Tories have referenced Labours fiscal record in the 70's at every available opportunity over the last 50 years, All Labour need to do for the next couple of decades is remind everyone just what the incumbent government have done over the last 14. Party of fiscal responsibility - my ar$e
As per, good to see the Essex straw-clutching game is as strong as ever. Got a feeling he's going to put into use quite a bit over the coming weeks and months. Which reminds me, you've not posted any opinion polls in a few months @Essexyellows .......
Anyway - this is off topic, lets get back to discussing the fiscally responsible Rwanda removals scheme
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The part in bold is the key point of all of this. This entire conversation is only necessary because people who can be safe elsewhere, or were never unsafe in the first place, decide to try to take advantage of ridiculous international law and the generosity of the UK.
Indeed, these people are desperate, but they're not desperate for safety - they're desperate for a free house and a lifetime wage without working.
Maybe Rwanda isn't the answer, I personally don't think it is, but at least it's something. People are tired of seeing the scenes of boats full of men with designer clothes and more expensive phones than me land on our beaches and just get given everything we have to work so hard for.
I don't think many people would have an issue with a balanced number of genuinely in danger refugees being accepted through proper means and methods, but these aren't those people.
Whoever wins the next election *has* to solve this problem.
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The two highlighted sections are exactly what those who are manipulating the situation want you to be thinking, well done for taking the bait.
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"they're desperate for a free house and a lifetime wage without working."
they really aren't - the vast majority want to work and earn and contribute (similar to the vast majority of Brits do, but there are some that don't). The issue is the ones that are seen as not working and being housed are actually not allowed to work because their claims haven't been processed (see previous posts about the backlog) which means they cannot get the paperwork employers now require (and employing someone without paperwork in now a criminal offense), because they cannot earn they are put in temporary accomodation. Process the applications faster (and the vast majority are approved), get them able to work, fill the massive employment gaps in the economy, increase tax income, bobs your uncle - be better than spending £1.8million per person on a illogical scheme (Rwanda is apparently safe to send people to, but we have still accepted refugees from Rwanda in recent years) that is pure dog whistle politics that even those in charge now previously argued wouldn't work (James Cleverley) and was not worth the money (Rishi Sunak). But instead 'we' seem to be focussing on the apocryphal stories created by those that benefit by creating division.
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The "massive employment gaps" are overwhelmingly in sectors where employees aren't paid a living wage.
So, instead of allowing the market to correct that to incentivise work, or motivate young people to work, we are proposing to just mindlessly import cheap labour, so the boat people get to live on caravan camps on farms to pick fruit? Or wait tables and live 8 to a house? Because these are the areas where we have "massive" employment gaps.
That's not even considering the very real problem of how we maintain food security for our ever-bloated population, given we are now being warned about a first harvest failure since WWII by farmers.
I thought we were moving away from a mindset where we can just import cheap labour and have them living in shitty conditions. It will create worse divisions, cause them to become resentful and dangerous, and us to become even more happy when we can't use the services our families have been paying for over the last 150 years.
We can't just keep importing foreigners to do the dirty work.
Well, this is the big Brexit lie in a nutshell isn't it?
"Let's leave the European Union because we want control over our borders, so there will be less immigration and more jobs for British people"
And instead, we've left the European Union and immigration has doubled. Whether that's because of Tory incompetence, or because the Tory government is in the pockets of big business and a plentiful supply of cheap labour is in their best interest, or a little bit of both, you can take your pick.
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"The "massive employment gaps" are overwhelmingly in sectors where employees aren't paid a living wage."
It really isn't, through experience at my company, even paying £2-3 more than living wage for basic jobs isn't getting staff now. There are huge shortages in tech skills. And there are also 46000 nursing vacancies - we are having to pay agencies in countries in Asia and Africa to import their nurses.
We've had to import workers for a long time, increasing markedly after the war., especially in farming. The issue of food security has been more affected by the power of the supermarkets in suppressing the amount farmers get for their produce than anything else.
"I thought we were moving away from a mindset where we can just import cheap labour and have them living in shitty conditions" - no, bring the skills/labour we require to fill our needs when nothing else will fill them, paying them fair amounts, and allowing people to live as they want to.
If we don't have the working age workforce then what are we going to do with an aging population?
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Not working?
And just look at your local high street for where they end up, driving costs up and wages down!
Is the Rwanda policy driving migrants to Ireland?
The Irish government claims over 80% of asylum seekers have crossed the border from Northern Ireland.
www.bbc.co.uk
And just look at your local high street for where they end up, driving costs up and wages down!
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From the BBC story you linked...Not working?
Is the Rwanda policy driving migrants to Ireland?
The Irish government claims over 80% of asylum seekers have crossed the border from Northern Ireland.www.bbc.co.uk
And just look at your local high street for where they end up, driving costs up and wages down!
...and the second link from a right-wing think tank...
Must try harder.
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Just seen a report that suggests that each flight to Rwanda will take 130 failed asylum seekers, and Sunak has committed to one flight every month throughout the summer until the back log is cleared (despite there only being capacity for 200 in Rwanda, but we'll ignore that for a minute!)
So with a backlog of 40,000 claimants means that if we don't have a single extra arrival on our shores, we will have cleared the problem by early 2050!
But I guess it's unfair to label this a failure without giving it a chance!
So with a backlog of 40,000 claimants means that if we don't have a single extra arrival on our shores, we will have cleared the problem by early 2050!
But I guess it's unfair to label this a failure without giving it a chance!
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Well he did single handedly get inflation down and convince some people this meant prices were falling
so 2050 may not be out of the question.But PRB says it’s a cost effective solution, and he’s an accountant…. It has to be right, right?
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We always here the "this might not be perfect, but what would YOU do?"
We create holding centres that have basic accommodation, health provisions and access to translation services and legal support. This will provide a safe and appropriate place to hold people whilst their applications are being processed but at significantly less than it costs to accommodate people in hotels, b&b's or rental accommodation. It also means that everything is on site or accessible through Teams etc.
We invest in administrative and legal support to ensure applications are processed fairly, but quickly. We should set a service level agreement of 2 months for an initial decision to be made, with an additional month if the decision is appealed. This is absolutely doable.
If asylum is granted an assessment should be undertaken to identify skill sets or needs of individuals with people then located where employment is, or where there is housing capacity.
If unsuccessful, after appeal, then we should look to deport people to their country of origin, or another appropriate safe country. This will take international agreements but this is achievable.
Alongside this, we also need to establish safer routes for people that gives greater control over who arrives in this country and takes control away from the people smugglers.
And we work alongside international partners to break the criminal networks that profit from people smuggling.
We should become a country that welcomes people that are being genuinely persecuted as well as supporting migration for those looking to enhance our communities. We should also be seen as a country that will work with others to provide safe places for others to return to if they don't meet the criteria to remain as well as helping to stop people smuggling at the source.
It won't happen overnight, and it's far from easy, but we will begin to take control of our borders and have a system which is effective and sustainable, whilst also being a genuine deterrent for those looking to abuse the system.
We create holding centres that have basic accommodation, health provisions and access to translation services and legal support. This will provide a safe and appropriate place to hold people whilst their applications are being processed but at significantly less than it costs to accommodate people in hotels, b&b's or rental accommodation. It also means that everything is on site or accessible through Teams etc.
We invest in administrative and legal support to ensure applications are processed fairly, but quickly. We should set a service level agreement of 2 months for an initial decision to be made, with an additional month if the decision is appealed. This is absolutely doable.
If asylum is granted an assessment should be undertaken to identify skill sets or needs of individuals with people then located where employment is, or where there is housing capacity.
If unsuccessful, after appeal, then we should look to deport people to their country of origin, or another appropriate safe country. This will take international agreements but this is achievable.
Alongside this, we also need to establish safer routes for people that gives greater control over who arrives in this country and takes control away from the people smugglers.
And we work alongside international partners to break the criminal networks that profit from people smuggling.
We should become a country that welcomes people that are being genuinely persecuted as well as supporting migration for those looking to enhance our communities. We should also be seen as a country that will work with others to provide safe places for others to return to if they don't meet the criteria to remain as well as helping to stop people smuggling at the source.
It won't happen overnight, and it's far from easy, but we will begin to take control of our borders and have a system which is effective and sustainable, whilst also being a genuine deterrent for those looking to abuse the system.
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As of the last fully released figures (28th April) the total of boat crossees was cumulatively higher for the year at 7167 than at the same point in any previously recorded year (2022 - 6691, 2023 - 5799) and it is not plateauing.Not working?
Is the Rwanda policy driving migrants to Ireland?
The Irish government claims over 80% of asylum seekers have crossed the border from Northern Ireland.www.bbc.co.uk
And just look at your local high street for where they end up, driving costs up and wages down!
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It's because of Tory incompetence. Nothing has changed the central fact that Brexit has allowed the country to control its borders.
The issue is, if we have a government which cannot effectively govern, then that benefit is not realised.
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Your experience of a few job vacancies at your one company is probably not reflective of gaps in the entire UK job market.
UK nursing requires specialist education and training hence why we normally import people from compatible jurisdictions who have transferable qualifications. The boat men are probably not likely candidates for our nursing shortage, not in the short term anyway.
Regarding your last paragraph, you're moving into a general argument about immigration when we were originally talking about the boats.
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BBC:
'Most of the asylum seekers initially earmarked for deportation to Rwanda cannot be immediately located, the Home Office has admitted.
Home Office documents reveal 5,700 asylum seekers have been identified in an initial cohort to be sent to the East African country.
But only "2,143 continue to report to the Home Office and can be located for detention", the documents say.'
Absolute incompetence on top of performative cruelty.
This Tory government in a nutshell.
'Most of the asylum seekers initially earmarked for deportation to Rwanda cannot be immediately located, the Home Office has admitted.
Home Office documents reveal 5,700 asylum seekers have been identified in an initial cohort to be sent to the East African country.
But only "2,143 continue to report to the Home Office and can be located for detention", the documents say.'
Absolute incompetence on top of performative cruelty.
This Tory government in a nutshell.