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[YellowTaxi]

Great to see the "patriotism" of bashamwonderland backs the likes of Philip Green and ineos owner Jim Ratcliffe. Who cares how much money they get out of the country, how many jobs they destroy, as long as its legal.

 

[carefreeoufc]

Easy to say the Chancellor has been great during the pandemic while he’s chucking cash around left, right and centre. I’m sure there’s also a lot of people who don’t think he’s doing such a great job, particularly those that are self employed.

 

[YellowTaxi]

3 million people receiving no funds.

Disastrous "Eat out to spread Covid Scheme'

Also there have been rumours that Sunak has been pressing to end lockdown with the consequences we've been seeing

 

[SteMerritt]

Disastrous "Eat out to spread Covid Scheme'

Do you have some stats on this? Seen you post the phrase multiple times now.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Great to see the "patriotism" of bashamwonderland backs the likes of Philip Green and ineos owner Jim Ratcliffe. Who cares how much money they get out of the country, how many jobs they destroy, as long as its legal.

Conservatives wave the flag and try to appeal to patriotic, unreflective types but i actually find them to be unpatriotic themselves - from everyday tax evasion to giving public contracts to their mates to people like Farage conspiring with the country’s enemies.

 

[YellowTaxi]

Do you have some stats on this? Seen you post the phrase multiple times now.

Here's the report of a study from the University of Warwick saying “the sharp increase in COVID-19 infection clusters emerged a week after the scheme began,” and that up to 17 percent of new infection clusters “could be linked to the scheme.”

 

[SteMerritt]

Here's the report of a study from the University of Warwick saying “the sharp increase in COVID-19 infection clusters emerged a week after the scheme began,” and that up to 17 percent of new infection clusters “could be linked to the scheme.”

Thanks, I'll add that to my reading list.

 

[bashamwonderland]

That’s alright then. Nothing to see here chaps. We’re stupid enough to set up systems that the rich can bleed money from. And we do so by electing their mates. Hunky dory.

There's a lot of righteousness from some people, as though they wouldn't dare touch these types of scheme if they were rich enough to take advantage. This allows them to demonise the people who do happen to be rich to make the "these are the people you are agreeing with" narrative.

The truth is we'd all be at it if we had the resources and the advisers.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

There's a lot of righteousness from some people, as though they wouldn't dare touch these types of scheme if they were rich enough to take advantage. This allows them to demonise the people who do happen to be rich to make the "these are the people you are agreeing with" narrative.

The truth is we'd all be at it if we had the resources and the advisers.

That is quite some proclamation on the morals of every single poster on this board, let alone all people if they were rich.

I guess it feels slightly less awkward than saying "I know I'd do it", but rather presumptuous nonetheless.

 

[chuckbert]

There's a lot of righteousness from some people ...
The truth is we'd all be at it if we had the resources and the advisers.

Some big assumptions there. Usually in this type of scenario I assume that the comments say more about the person saying them than about anyone else.

 

[bashamwonderland]

That is quite some proclamation on the morals of every single poster on this board, let alone all people if they were rich.

I guess it feels slightly less awkward than saying "I know I'd do it", but rather presumptuous nonetheless.

I'm sure you would pay more than your fair share of tax if you won the lottery, Sheik. I'm sure you'd then donate your millions to build schools and hospitals across the country and become immortalised as one of the great philanthropists of modern times.

Conveniently, I'm sure a lot of the people without millions would also do exactly the same.

Weird how only a generous few actually become these impressive and giving citizens when the money materialises.

Edit - seems Chuckbert is also a philanthropist in waiting. Now if only we could give millions to you guys so you could get about changing society.

 

[werthersoriginal]

There's a lot of righteousness from some people, as though they wouldn't dare touch these types of scheme if they were rich enough to take advantage. This allows them to demonise the people who do happen to be rich to make the "these are the people you are agreeing with" narrative.

The truth is we'd all be at it if we had the resources and the advisers.

No we wouldn’t. We’re not all totally self centred. Tories just can’t imagine anyone being public spirited or principled.

 

[YellowTaxi]

Precisely. Plenty of people who are happy to pay tax and are proud of their commitment to the community.

Good to know how thin bashamwonderland's commitment to the country is.

But there are a few brexit tax dodgers who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

Jim Ratcliffe from ineos, (Monaco) Arron Banks, Jacob Rees Mogg

their commitment to this country is thinner than the banknotes they get out of the taxman's reach

 

[QR]

There's a lot of righteousness from some people, as though they wouldn't dare touch these types of scheme if they were

Rishi Sunak has been superb throughout the pandemic.
Obviously Tory hashing going on, but what without hindsight what would the other of the two parties do different?

I think you'll find most developed countries have their own Rishi Sunak. Right place, right time.

By responding to a question about off shored wealth with something about furlough is a bit like me saying 'Hoban (for the purpose of analogy) was our worst buy in recent years' and you saying 'yeah but he had a good haircut' (for the purpose of analogy)!!

 

[YellowTaxi]

"The truth is we'd all be lots of Brexit supporters are at it if we had the resources and the advisers."

 

[YellowTaxi]

Barclay Brothers - owner of the hugely pro Brexit Telegraph and the Spectator. Paid Boris Johnson a quarter a million quid

Secrecy is one of the benefits of tax havens – and it is something valued by Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay, owners of the Daily Telegraph, who live on Brecqhou in the Channel Islands, and Monaco.

The Paradise Papers include minutes of a meeting in Hamilton, Bermuda, that show the 82-year-old billionaire twins seeking to keep their financial dealings out of sight. The meeting in 2004 of the Bermuda-based Reid Finance Ltd dealt with “a change of nominee ownership” involving BI Ltd.

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The shares had been held since 1989 by David, Frederick and David’s wife Zoe. The meeting agreed to transfer the “beneficial ownership” of the shares from Zoe to the two brothers. The move meant Reid appeared as the shareholder while the brothers – the “beneficial owners” – remained in the background. The minutes describe Reid as a company used “as nominee for several of our clients who do not wish their names to appear on the share register”.

There is nothing illegal in this. But it highlights one of the criticisms of the sector. Pressure has been growing from politicians and transparency campaigners to stop the real owners of companies hiding behind bankers and lawyers.

Prem Sikka, professor of accounting at the University of Essex, said: “Nominee shareholdings add opacity and make it impossible for the authorities to call the ultimate controllers and beneficiaries of financial flows to account.”

A spokesperson for the Barclays said: “Thanks for bringing this to our attention and giving us the chance to respond. On this occasion we will not be commenting.”

 

[YellowTaxi]

Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Company Accounts show c£103M profit over last 5 years, but paid ZERO UK corporation tax as ultimate ownership in Cayman Islands. No contribution for schools, hospitals, roads, defence, public services, welfare etc. No wonder he is keen to avoid new EU tax laws.

National heros.

 

[bashamwonderland]

No we wouldn’t. We’re not all totally self centred. Tories just can’t imagine anyone being public spirited or principled.

Isn't it astonishing that all of the great charitable figures of our time are locked away on the YellowsForum? I'm sure if they were born in Nazi Germany they'd also hide all of the Jews, and if they were born in Stalinist USSR they'd drive grain and bread to the Georgians.

 

[YellowTaxi]

Wow!

IN both Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR dissent meant imprisonment and probably instant death.
To try and compare resisting a murderous regime with failing to dodge your taxes shows quite how morally bankrupt you are.
Making a moral equivalence between the two shows some pretty distorted values.
It's quite easy to pay your taxes, and no-one is likely to murder you.

I'm sure not all Brexit supporters are as greedy and self -serving as you appear to be, but thanks for showing us the kind of energy behind it.

Still explains why you have a picture of Maxwell as your avatar.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Isn't it astonishing that all of the great charitable figures of our time are locked away on the YellowsForum? I'm sure if they were born in Nazi Germany they'd also hide all of the Jews, and if they were born in Stalinist USSR they'd drive grain and bread to the Georgians.

Sorry? That seems over the top and inappropriate. I’m not as cynical and selfish as most Tories and I wouldn’t mind paying a bit more tax, but I’m not making any grander claims.