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Can anyone give a fair, rational explanation, other than deliberate voter suppression, as to why over 60s are allowed to use their Oyster Card as ID at a polling station but under 60s aren't.

I don't have such a card so I may have missed something.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593871988929568769
 
Presumably to help reduce voting fraud, which seems to happen at every local and national election. Worldwide rather than just restricted to the UK.
 
It’ll restart the national ID card debate. Personally I’m in favour of all aged 16+ carrying ID.
 
In the Netherlands you must always have an ID card with you outside of your house. All persons 12 years and older have to have some sort of ID with them.

Several different items may be used as ID, passport and driving license amongst others. But not you bus card. The driving license is the most normal. It has a number called BSN (Burger Service Nummer, citizens service number) which all government departments, hospitals (gives the hospital access to your national medical record), and police accept.

Whenever I go out I always take my driving license and my bank card with me (as minimum, sometimes I even put my trousers on). I've never experienced it as intruding on my privacy, it gives me instant access to many services as well as being able to drive my car and anybody else's car with permission. That permission means that you are then covered by the car insurance of the car owner. That can be very handy.
 
Ewes said:
Presumably to help reduce voting fraud, which seems to happen at every local and national election. Worldwide rather than just restricted to the UK.
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Voter fraud is alleged to be a problem by the right here and in the US, but I’m not sure it’s a genuine issue. It’s more of a problem to get people to vote.
 
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werthersoriginal said:
Voter fraud is alleged to be an issue by the right here and in the US, but I’m not sure it’s a genuine issue. It’s more of a problem to get people to vote.
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I’ve not seen any evidence that it’s a problem anywhere - would love to see some.
Mandatory voting is a much better solution as it means you can detect voter fraud (evidence of someone voting “twice”) with the added bonus of knowing the decision is as made by as many people as possible.
 
Ewes said:
Presumably to help reduce voting fraud, which seems to happen at every local and national election. Worldwide rather than just restricted to the UK.
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Well yes the reason for introducing the need for ID is based on the, albeit baseless assumption, voter fraud is a significant problem in the UK, but why are Oyster Cards an acceptable form of ID for over 60s but not under 60s? If it's not a way to make it harder for younger people to vote (who are statistical less likely to vote Tory than older people) then why is it?
 
To get an over 60s Oyster you have to provide various more robust checks - including passport or driving licence details and annual address confirmation. To get a bog standard Oyster card you don't need to provide any of this so the scope for fraud is much greater.
 
Malc said:
In the Netherlands you must always have an ID card with you outside of your house. All persons 12 years and older have to have some sort of ID with them.

Several different items may be used as ID, passport and driving license amongst others. But not you bus card. The driving license is the most normal. It has a number called BSN (Burger Service Nummer, citizens service number) which all government departments, hospitals (gives the hospital access to your national medical record), and police accept.

Whenever I go out I always take my driving license and my bank card with me (as minimum, sometimes I even put my trousers on). I've never experienced it as intruding on my privacy, it gives me instant access to many services as well as being able to drive my car and anybody else's car with permission. That permission means that you are then covered by the car insurance of the car owner. That can be very handy.
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So if I took my dog for a walk I would need to take some form of ID with me? Seems a bit excessive and totalitarian to me, maybe Holland isn’t all weed, porn and free prostitutes for the disabled, feel a bit disappointed in the Orange fellas now.
 
I don't regard it as a problem. It helps me get services and helps the police too.
But for you @holdsteady some good news.
Your dog does not need any ID.
 
Have you ever been to the Netherlands?
 
holdsteady said:
Have I ever been to Holland? Quite insulted that you have never witnessed the live sex show I used to put on in Amsterdams red light district, clogs and soft cheeses it was called, went down lovely with the tourists.
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Was that your encore? 😘
 
chuckbert said:
I’ve not seen any evidence that it’s a problem anywhere - would love to see some.
Mandatory voting is a much better solution as it means you can detect voter fraud (evidence of someone voting “twice”) with the added bonus of knowing the decision is as made by as many people as possible.
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the electoral commission website compiles data. Its not really an issue, 2021 saw 79 cases of alleged voting fraud, and 34 of alleged voter registration fraud - note that is alleged, not guilty of - the majority face no further action after investigation.
In comparison campaigning and candidate registration fraud had 198 alleged cases - and they are not doing anything about that...
 
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