New Stadium Plans - The Triangle - Planning

sideshowrob said:
There is nothing more annoying than buying a ticket for an away game early only to find you have been allocated a seat in the first row. This happened to me at Wycombe a couple of seasons ago. Away fans should have choice over the seat that they buy.
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To be fair, you can't expect glorified non-league clubs to have a proper ticketing system which allows you to select your own seats.
 
Cookie said:
This whole discussion is ridiculous. Talk of "odd misery" or "miserable old sod" for wanting to sit in a seat you've paid for! Even the away day "unwritten law" is nonsense, probably born from the Conference days on the terraces. Big clubs with much bigger support manage to sit in the seats they are allocated, it isn't difficult.
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Thats fine. Just why on earth would someone who wants to sit all game, every game buy a ticket/ST where the standing support would definitely be.
Just use common sense where a seat is bought and its no problem for anyone.
 
OUFCGav said:
Reading further into the UK regulations.
"Tickets for safe standing in seated areas should comply with the recommendations on information and design outlined in Section 3.30.f of the Green Guide.Under no circumstances should there be any sale of unreserved places for areas of safe standing in seated areas"
"Ticket holders are required to occupy the space in front of the seat allocated to them on the ticket – that is they cannot migrate to different spaces within the section, as would be possible on conventional terraced standing accommodation"
"Ticket holders will not be permitted to admit non-ticket holders to the section"
"In order to prevent non-ticket holders from entering, it will be necessary for management to place stewards at each entry point to any seated area used for safe standing."

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Does unreserved in the way we are talking about it mean a ticket for an area without a specific seat number ticket? If so then fine that's not allowed.

But, what's the problem with having an area that does not have any ST reserved places in it, for a single/standing area. Buy a seat ticket for that area match by match then no problem.
Anyone who wants to sit would be rather dumb to then buy a ticket for that area.

As has been mentioned before the only issue with this could be someone who wants to be in that area to stand, but also wants a ST, but surely there is a way to accommodate that with a bit of thought.

Where this area actually would be is then another discussion.
 
ljs said:
Thats fine. Just why on earth would someone who wants to sit all game, every game buy a ticket/ST where the standing support would definitely be.
Just use common sense where a seat is bought and its no problem for anyone.
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yes the same as why buy a season ticket where the singers go, if don't sing
 
Scrongo said:
Does anyone know if we will have undersoil heating, I can't recall seeing & reading about it anywhere ???
I know we did have plans for it when we moved from the Manor, only for it to be scrapped like half the stadium.
Surly this time ???
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I have noticed when we have particularly cold conditions, well below -0°, most games below the Championship are called off, whereas Championship and Premier League games are almost always on.

I suspect because of TV schedules and contracts, they are put under a lot more pressure to get the games on, which probably makes under soil heating essential.

If that observation is correct, then it will almost certainly be installed.
 
Oslernorth said:
I have noticed when we have particularly cold conditions, well below -0°, most games below the Championship are called off, whereas Championship and Premier League games are almost always on.

I suspect because of TV schedules and contracts, they are put under a lot more pressure to get the games on, which probably makes under soil heating essential.

If that observation is correct, then it will almost certainly be installed.
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Think it would be silly not to install it in a newly built stadium.

Personally, I love the cold games but I'd still like to see the air gap closed!
 
OUFCGav said:
From what I've read of the regs the club is not allowed to sub-divide a single section into reserved and unreserved.
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What I mean is they just don't sell any tickets there and have it as a free space for anyone to go to if they want. So you could turn up on the day buy a ticket for row A and move up to the top if you wanted. Just need some stewards present to make sure there's not too many people in a small space, and send people back to their allocated seats if it's too full.

That way everyone in the stadium still has an allocated seat to comply with the regs, people don't need to worry about others being in their space, and the singers can group together without restriction.

Or is that still not allowed?
 
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ljs said:
Thats fine. Just why on earth would someone who wants to sit all game, every game buy a ticket/ST where the standing support would definitely be.
Just use common sense where a seat is bought and its no problem for anyone.
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But what if I want to stand in the rail seating section? I.e. buy a season ticket there with my friends/family and have the same spot reserved each game. How would making the spots unreserved make it any better?
 
If you look a the traffic signs at Kidlington roundabout, it tells you to go down freize way to get to Oxford Airport. Instead of going straight on the quick way.
I can't recall any complaints about that one...🤔
 
ljs said:
Does unreserved in the way we are talking about it mean a ticket for an area without a specific seat number ticket? If so then fine that's not allowed.

But, what's the problem with having an area that does not have any ST reserved places in it, for a single/standing area. Buy a seat ticket for that area match by match then no problem.
Anyone who wants to sit would be rather dumb to then buy a ticket for that area.

As has been mentioned before the only issue with this could be someone who wants to be in that area to stand, but also wants a ST, but surely there is a way to accommodate that with a bit of thought.

Where this area actually would be is then another discussion.
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Yes re unreserved.

In theory could be done at new stadium that there is an area without season tickets sold in it. That could be a choice for the club. As long as each ticket has a seat number on it, that would meet regs (if enforced to seat). Just need to communicate right re people not being able to get discount/benefits of season ticket if choosing that area. Also work out a way of dealing with 200 people buying season tickets for other areas of the ground to get a season ticket, then exchanging every game for a match ticket in the "special" area - which would be an admin cost issue.
 
Oslernorth said:
I have noticed when we have particularly cold conditions, well below -0°, most games below the Championship are called off, whereas Championship and Premier League games are almost always on.

I suspect because of TV schedules and contracts, they are put under a lot more pressure to get the games on, which probably makes under soil heating essential.

If that observation is correct, then it will almost certainly be installed.
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It is mandatory in Premier League (special dispensation this year to Luton for one season only due to time constraints), but not in Championship. But most Championship clubs have either been in PL recently, or have serious ambitions to.
 
OUFCwaffle said:
What I mean is they just don't sell any tickets there and have it as a free space for anyone to go to if they want. So you could turn up on the day buy a ticket for row A and move up to the top if you wanted. Just need some stewards present to make sure there's not too many people in a small space, and send people back to their allocated seats if it's too full.

That way everyone in the stadium still has an allocated seat to comply with the regs, people don't need to worry about others being in their space, and the singers can group together without restriction.

Or is that still not allowed?
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Yes, but how would they actually control how many people are in that space? If there are say 500 seats, and 1000 people all push up to try and get in, how are you going to realistically steward that?

I would imagine the club would also say, that leaves x number of actual seats empty and that would be income.
 
ljs said:
Thats fine. Just why on earth would someone who wants to sit all game, every game buy a ticket/ST where the standing support would definitely be.
Just use common sense where a seat is bought and its no problem for anyone.
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The regs also cover that in terms of ticket 'code of conduct' rules for SSA - "The area in question is for safe standing and that ticket holders must expect that other spectators will be standing (although of course they may sit on their allocated seat before and after the activity, or during an interval or halftime break)."
 
OUFCGav said:
The regs also cover that in terms of ticket 'code of conduct' rules for SSA - "The area in question is for safe standing and that ticket holders must expect that other spectators will be standing (although of course they may sit on their allocated seat before and after the activity, or during an interval or halftime break)."
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Surely what matters is the attitude of the stewards? We know that even standing spaces have to be allocated numerically, but if the stewards are sensible then they'll let people gravitate to their friends or to groups of singers. I don't see why you couldn't sell season tickets there as long as people realize it's a standing area and they can't just plonk themselves down for the duration.
 
OUFCGav said:
Yes re unreserved.

In theory could be done at new stadium that there is an area without season tickets sold in it. That could be a choice for the club. As long as each ticket has a seat number on it, that would meet regs (if enforced to seat). Just need to communicate right re people not being able to get discount/benefits of season ticket if choosing that area. Also work out a way of dealing with 200 people buying season tickets for other areas of the ground to get a season ticket, then exchanging every game for a match ticket in the "special" area - which would be an admin cost issue.
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good idea @OUFCGav - its the communication (from the club) where the issue might be
 
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