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I’d still say Lavery, as Harris works hard and presses. But scores goals.
The lone striker suits him.
Was left out with Dembele again last night, and once again got a reaction.
Out of contract in the summer, and with Rhodes doing well and Joseph to come in.
Would be among the top end of top scorers if it wasn’t for missing a few games with hamstring I think.
 
Freddie Ladapo would make a lot of sense. Imagine he goes to a L1 promotion contender in January and can only think of us, Derby and Posh (as a JCH replacement).
 
I’d still say Lavery, as Harris works hard and presses. But scores goals.
The lone striker suits him.
Was left out with Dembele again last night, and once again got a reaction.
Out of contract in the summer, and with Rhodes doing well and Joseph to come in.
Would be among the top end of top scorers if it wasn’t for missing a few games with hamstring I think.
Rhodes could be recalled by Huddersfield in January?
 
Go sign Marriott! Scored 2 tonight including a world class equaliser in a 3-3 draw against Blackpool.
Yep. He's class. I suspect that ship has sailed though, the time to seal that deal was when Fleetwood were in turmoil in the summer.
 
Yeah, I'm still not sure I get all the Sam Smith love.
And not because of the Joey celebration - but because I think people have seen him have a couple of good days against us, and are extrapolating out to make him a better player than he actually is.

He works hard, bustles around up top and causes some trouble. But I'm really not sure that he's a natural finisher. Certainly wasn't when he was with us - and he's never scored more than 15 in a season, or at a rate of better than 1 in 3.

He's not - for example - an Alfie May, who scored 1 in 2 at this level even whilst playing for a crap Cheltenham team. And is now making a run at a goal a game playing for someone decent.

Signing Sam Smith would be good for depth. But I don't see that buying him gives us a striker to rival the Top 5 in the division currently (Cole, May, Rhodes, Bishop & Charles).
It’s about the way Manning sets his team up. He plays a lone striker regardless of the formation but doesn’t use them as a poacher or out and out goalscorer. In the 21/22 season his top scorer was Twine, an attacking midfielder, with 20. He was on all set pieces and was the best player in the division by a country mile. After that it was Mo Eisa with 12 - nobody else got into double figures - followed by Troy Parrott with 8 (plus seven assists). Eisa is your on-the-shoulder type and Parrott is your six-foot-plus link man.

We’ve got Harris in the Eisa role, so now we need a different, more physical player to be able to switch things up based on how he sets his teams up. O’Donkor is that sort of player but isn’t good enough (yet), and Perkins is 6’1” and ticks the right box but has clearly eaten somebody’s pasta. I was told by someone who should very much know that the Marriott interest was much earlier in the summer from us, and was long gone while the press was still saying we were in for him as deadline approached. Meanwhile we signed Perkins having been interested in Cosgrove around the same time (who is absolutely flopping at Barnsley thus far), so it seems the criteria was indeed an Eisa and a Parrott.

Smith scored 13 goals in 45 League One games for a team that almost got relegated - more than Eisa scored in the MK side that amassed 89 points the season before. He’s physically strong and a hard worker, holds the ball well and is capable of scoring a respectable amount of goals while linking play. A good friend of mine is a ST holder (handy for parking when we play there) and I gave him some stick when he turned up there given his loan with us was a stinker, but he was absolutely loved and did extremely well playing for a regularly struggling side.

Were there many better options than him available? Charles, Bishop, Cole etc are all at other (bigger) L1 clubs already, so they’re out of the question because none of them are selling to us and their fees will be in the millions. Cosgrove? Flopping. Watters? Flopping. Nombe? Absolutely unobtainable - went up to a Championship club for his club’s record fee. Imagine the scene if Rhodes had rocked up at 33 with that recent scoring record. Christ alive, people would’ve moaned for weeks. Anyone claiming he was what was needed or who they wanted is indulging in some hefty revisionism. Ditto Waghorn and Chris Martin. “I thought we’d moved past these kind of has beens now that Robinson has left!” etc.

Looking at the current L1 top scorer list - Reid from Stevenage? Hoskins from Northampton? Don’t think they’re going to stop the #GoingForIt goading if they show up. After that you’re left with all the players already named above, who are not affordable or being sold to us.

Then you look at last season’s top scorer list. Who could we have got who is clearly better than Smith?

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From the looks of it - McGoldrick and May. That’s about it. McGoldrick wanted to go back home to Notts County to play out his final season or two, and May is on record as saying he only wanted Charlton, as he’s from the area and all his family (Charlton fans) are there. Clarke-Harris maybe? On paper the ultimate L1 goal machine. Does he fit what Manning wants from his strikers, given he talks about wanting team players and for goals to be spread around the side? Dunno.

Beyond that, we offered Fleetwood double what they paid for Marriott six months earlier and they said no, and nobody else got him either. This talk of a lack of ambition or Fleetwood being a basket case is wide of the mark. He’s still there - they don’t need to sell. We tried. He would've been one of our most expensive signings ever.

Looking around L1 as a whole, hardly anybody has signed a striker in the summer who is ripping it up, whether they be established L1 performers, signings from lower divisions, or kids on loan from higher up. Rhodes and May are the only ones. Everyone else was already at their club and won’t be sold to any club below the Championship, or in the cases of Hoskins and Reid are having an Indian summer. I think it’s pretty clear that there was not a plethora of options across the entire league this summer, and certainly not a great many better than someone like Smith.
 
Yep. He's class. I suspect that ship has sailed though, the time to seal that deal was when Fleetwood were in turmoil in the summer.

They are bottom of the league without points deductions, have the lowest crowds and the owner is locked up for the next ten years, not certain they are out of turmoil yet.
 
Yeah, I'm still not sure I get all the Sam Smith love.
And not because of the Joey celebration - but because I think people have seen him have a couple of good days against us, and are extrapolating out to make him a better player than he actually is.

He works hard, bustles around up top and causes some trouble. But I'm really not sure that he's a natural finisher. Certainly wasn't when he was with us - and he's never scored more than 15 in a season, or at a rate of better than 1 in 3.

He's not - for example - an Alfie May, who scored 1 in 2 at this level even whilst playing for a crap Cheltenham team. And is now making a run at a goal a game playing for someone decent.

Signing Sam Smith would be good for depth. But I don't see that buying him gives us a striker to rival the Top 5 in the division currently (Cole, May, Rhodes, Bishop & Charles).

As someone who’d be delighted with signing Sam Smith, I think it’s because he fits our style far better than a poacher like Alfie May.

Manning wants someone who works hard, forces an defence to stay deep and leads the press from the front. He signed Harris, after all, and won’t want to change his approach, because it’s delivered results.

Smith and Harris would be able to cover one another, and Smith would likely be a significant goal scoring upgrade - his 15 in 46 is far more prolific than anything Harris does.

I think the point you are really sleeping on, is that most prolific goal scorers don’t move to clubs in the same division (unless they support their new club).

With Harris, we are clearly trying to identify a striker who can move from 5-15 goals to 20-30 in the right team. This happens far more often than I think you give credit for:
  1. Devante Cole’s best season before now was 15 in 45 (or 10 in 28).
  2. Colby Bishop scored 12 in 41 before joining Pompey.
  3. JCH scored 16 in 41 before the shortened Covid season.
15 in 46 for a bad team doesn’t look too bad.
 
It’s about the way Manning sets his team up. He plays a lone striker regardless of the formation but doesn’t use them as a poacher or out and out goalscorer. In the 21/22 season his top scorer was Twine, an attacking midfielder, with 20. He was on all set pieces and was the best player in the division by a country mile. After that it was Mo Eisa with 12 - nobody else got into double figures - followed by Troy Parrott with 8 (plus seven assists). Eisa is your on-the-shoulder type and Parrott is your six-foot-plus link man.

We’ve got Harris in the Eisa role, so now we need a different, more physical player to be able to switch things up based on how he sets his teams up. O’Donkor is that sort of player but isn’t good enough (yet), and Perkins is 6’1” and ticks the right box but has clearly eaten somebody’s pasta. I was told by someone who should very much know that the Marriott interest was much earlier in the summer from us, and was long gone while the press was still saying we were in for him as deadline approached. Meanwhile we signed Perkins having been interested in Cosgrove around the same time (who is absolutely flopping at Barnsley thus far), so it seems the criteria was indeed an Eisa and a Parrott.

Smith scored 13 goals in 45 League One games for a team that almost got relegated - more than Eisa scored in the MK side that amassed 89 points the season before. He’s physically strong and a hard worker, holds the ball well and is capable of scoring a respectable amount of goals while linking play. A good friend of mine is a ST holder (handy for parking when we play there) and I gave him some stick when he turned up there given his loan with us was a stinker, but he was absolutely loved and did extremely well playing for a regularly struggling side.

Were there many better options than him available? Charles, Bishop, Cole etc are all at other (bigger) L1 clubs already, so they’re out of the question because none of them are selling to us and their fees will be in the millions. Cosgrove? Flopping. Watters? Flopping. Nombe? Absolutely unobtainable - went up to a Championship club for his club’s record fee. Imagine the scene if Rhodes had rocked up at 33 with that recent scoring record. Christ alive, people would’ve moaned for weeks. Anyone claiming he was what was needed or who they wanted is indulging in some hefty revisionism. Ditto Waghorn and Chris Martin. “I thought we’d moved past these kind of has beens now that Robinson has left!” etc.

Looking at the current L1 top scorer list - Reid from Stevenage? Hoskins from Northampton? Don’t think they’re going to stop the #GoingForIt goading if they show up. After that you’re left with all the players already named above, who are not affordable or being sold to us.

Then you look at last season’s top scorer list. Who could we have got who is clearly better than Smith?

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From the looks of it - McGoldrick and May. That’s about it. McGoldrick wanted to go back home to Notts County to play out his final season or two, and May is on record as saying he only wanted Charlton, as he’s from the area and all his family (Charlton fans) are there. Clarke-Harris maybe? On paper the ultimate L1 goal machine. Does he fit what Manning wants from his strikers, given he talks about wanting team players and for goals to be spread around the side? Dunno.

Beyond that, we offered Fleetwood double what they paid for Marriott six months earlier and they said no, and nobody else got him either. This talk of a lack of ambition or Fleetwood being a basket case is wide of the mark. He’s still there - they don’t need to sell. We tried. He would've been one of our most expensive signings ever.

Looking around L1 as a whole, hardly anybody has signed a striker in the summer who is ripping it up, whether they be established L1 performers, signings from lower divisions, or kids on loan from higher up. Rhodes and May are the only ones. Everyone else was already at their club and won’t be sold to any club below the Championship, or in the cases of Hoskins and Reid are having an Indian summer. I think it’s pretty clear that there was not a plethora of options across the entire league this summer, and certainly not a great many better than someone like Smith.
Interesting to look at last season’s list from the angle of who might be available in January as well. I’d be surprised if the Reading takeover saga hasn’t advanced to the extent that Smith is unrealistic, but I mentioned Ladapo earlier and wouldn’t be surprised if Lee Gregory dropped back into L1 either. Aside from one or two though, it looks real slim pickings again this coming window in terms of proven strikers.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if our recruitment team are looking abroad. We’ve done exceptionally well in Ireland, perhaps we can move into France/Spain and look at lower league players. Will Brexit have screwed it for us?
 
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I think Joe Taylor could be very interesting - on loan at Colchester from Luton.

Yeap, ticks a lot of boxes.

And going back to @tonyw's post about replicating what Plymouth did in January last season - it reminds me of their signing of Saxon Earley (though different position) - he too had spent the first half of the season successfully on loan in L2.

You take some significant risk out - he's not playing his first senior football. He's proven he can mix it in the FL, and is ready for that next step (L1). They did the same with Finn Azaz in the summer (excellent season on loan at Newport in 21-22). Hell, we did the same with Beadle (although he was never a risk for anyone).

You never quite know how a PL former England U-17 kid will do when they come up against Guy Branston et al for the first time (if they even make it as far as the pitch), so why not cherry-pick those who've been shown to be comfortable already?

Attainable and with an impressive (albeit early days) record. You don't have to be the first to discover someone, you just have to be the first at our level and with the ability to offer the parent club greater development for their player (Beadle) or, if not in first team plans, a permanent transfer with a decent fee (Earley).

More of these please.
 
Interesting to look at last season’s list from the angle of who might be available in January as well. I’d be surprised if the Reading takeover saga hasn’t advanced to the extent that Smith is unrealistic, but I mentioned Ladapo earlier and wouldn’t be surprised if Lee Gregory dropped back into L1 either. Aside from one or two though, it looks real slim pickings again this coming window in terms of proven strikers.
You can also look at last season’s League Two hotshots and see that there weren’t a plethora of standout options in the summer.

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The top four are all over 30, although fair play to Hoskins, he’s still going well in L1. Maybe we should’ve got Agyei back? 👀

Then looking ahead to January in terms of current L2 pace setters:

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Smith is 34 and on massive wages.

Olaofe looks interesting - good age and seems to be improving. Probably the pick of the bunch. Langstaff is continuing to score goals. How much would he cost?

Elliot Lee? We’ve been there before. A 15+ goals a season man in L1 he most certainly isn’t.

Young? Having the season of his life on loan at the scum. Bradford deemed him surplus to requirements. Flash in the pan or the next big thing? Too early to say.

Evans is a 26-year old winger in his second season as a pro after signing for Newport from Bala Town; Barry scored once in 22 games for MK last season before dropping down to Salford in January where he scored twice in 19. Jury’s out. Neither appear to be what we need to improve for a Championship promotion push.

Mellon is a teenager doing well in his second loan at Morecambe. No goals in eight appearances for them last season.

Chances are that any striker arriving in January will need to be a calculated risk, which we’ve already indulged in this season. We went for Mills as a first loan and it’s currently working; we went for Perkins as a first loan and it currently isn’t. In fact, Perkins was the safer bet on paper. Senior league appearances for both West Ham and Leeds, a senior goal for the latter in the FA Cup, 20 games and 12 goals for England across various age groups while Mills is uncapped at any level etc. Fine margins, but nothing to do with Oxford United lacking ambition or not taking itself seriously.

Ladapo is the sort of player I think is the ‘safest’ bet. Proven at this level but not getting much game time at Ipswich. Just 188 league minutes this season, although even then he’s got two goals and an assist across those. Plus two in four in the league cup. If they push the boat out to secure promotion in January then it could trigger him being made available. Think that’s the best route if people want someone ‘proven’.

Otherwise it’s just punts and gambles. Might work; might not.
 
You can also look at last season’s League Two hotshots and see that there weren’t a plethora of standout options in the summer.

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The top four are all over 30, although fair play to Hoskins, he’s still going well in L1. Maybe we should’ve got Agyei back? 👀

Then looking ahead to January in terms of current L2 pace setters:

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Smith is 34 and on massive wages.

Olaofe looks interesting - good age and seems to be improving. Probably the pick of the bunch. Langstaff is continuing to score goals. How much would he cost?

Elliot Lee? We’ve been there before. A 15+ goals a season man in L1 he most certainly isn’t.

Young? Having the season of his life on loan at the scum. Bradford deemed him surplus to requirements. Flash in the pan or the next big thing? Too early to say.

Evans is a 26-year old winger in his second season as a pro after signing for Newport from Bala Town; Barry scored once in 22 games for MK last season before dropping down to Salford in January where he scored twice in 19. Jury’s out. Neither appear to be what we need to improve for a Championship promotion push.

Mellon is a teenager doing well in his second loan at Morecambe. No goals in eight appearances for them last season.

Chances are that any striker arriving in January will need to be a calculated risk, which we’ve already indulged in this season. We went for Mills as a first loan and it’s currently working; we went for Perkins as a first loan and it currently isn’t. In fact, Perkins was the safer bet on paper. Senior league appearances for both West Ham and Leeds, a senior goal for the latter in the FA Cup, 20 games and 12 goals for England across various age groups while Mills is uncapped at any level etc. Fine margins, but nothing to do with Oxford United lacking ambition or not taking itself seriously.

Ladapo is the sort of player I think is the ‘safest’ bet. Proven at this level but not getting much game time at Ipswich. Just 188 league minutes this season, although even then he’s got two goals and an assist across those. Plus two in four in the league cup. If they push the boat out to secure promotion in January then it could trigger him being made available. Think that’s the best route if people want someone ‘proven’.

Otherwise it’s just punts and gambles. Might work; might not.

Interesting few posts on this.
Agree that Lapado is the obvious choice if he becomes available. If we are up there in January, the owners will back Manning, I suspect, and hopefully we will be promotion contenders.

Oh and our Ipswich connection seems to be growing
 
You can also look at last season’s League Two hotshots and see that there weren’t a plethora of standout options in the summer.

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The top four are all over 30, although fair play to Hoskins, he’s still going well in L1. Maybe we should’ve got Agyei back? 👀

Then looking ahead to January in terms of current L2 pace setters:

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Smith is 34 and on massive wages.

Olaofe looks interesting - good age and seems to be improving. Probably the pick of the bunch. Langstaff is continuing to score goals. How much would he cost?

Elliot Lee? We’ve been there before. A 15+ goals a season man in L1 he most certainly isn’t.

Young? Having the season of his life on loan at the scum. Bradford deemed him surplus to requirements. Flash in the pan or the next big thing? Too early to say.

Evans is a 26-year old winger in his second season as a pro after signing for Newport from Bala Town; Barry scored once in 22 games for MK last season before dropping down to Salford in January where he scored twice in 19. Jury’s out. Neither appear to be what we need to improve for a Championship promotion push.

Mellon is a teenager doing well in his second loan at Morecambe. No goals in eight appearances for them last season.

Chances are that any striker arriving in January will need to be a calculated risk, which we’ve already indulged in this season. We went for Mills as a first loan and it’s currently working; we went for Perkins as a first loan and it currently isn’t. In fact, Perkins was the safer bet on paper. Senior league appearances for both West Ham and Leeds, a senior goal for the latter in the FA Cup, 20 games and 12 goals for England across various age groups while Mills is uncapped at any level etc. Fine margins, but nothing to do with Oxford United lacking ambition or not taking itself seriously.

Ladapo is the sort of player I think is the ‘safest’ bet. Proven at this level but not getting much game time at Ipswich. Just 188 league minutes this season, although even then he’s got two goals and an assist across those. Plus two in four in the league cup. If they push the boat out to secure promotion in January then it could trigger him being made available. Think that’s the best route if people want someone ‘proven’.

Otherwise it’s just punts and gambles. Might work; might not.
Olaofe a great profile but wonder how hard he’d be to prise out of Stockport at this point. Will be very interested to see where Al Hamadi at Wimbledon ends up too.

Ladapo certainly the safest bet short term, but can see it being very competitive to get him. I’m not sure what his relationship was like with Paul Warne though and I’m struggling to see who else with a bigger L1 budget needs a striker as much as we do.
 
wouldve ideally liked an experienced ( at L1) level striker incoming - still, 11 new players in, in his first transfer window, LM and co have been more than proactive . A very decent window
 
If Ladapo were available he'd be a very safe bet, I'm still annoyed at @ECYellow for hinting it in the summer thread. Ipswich are flying and will rarely have a better chance to get back to the top so they'll surely have a pop in January in which case Ladapo will drop even further down the pecking order, and he's barely playing now. Assuming we're in a similar position then we're an attractive option and having Leigh and Edwards here can only help.

Otherwise I wouldn't mind Lee Gregory as mentioned by @WRox, although that's as much for the novelty of having Greg Leigh and Lee Gregory in the same team.
 
Will be very interested to see where Al Hamadi at Wimbledon ends up too.
He is fairly promising on paper and falls through the cracks of such a basic search criteria, admittedly.

14 in 33 for Wimbledon is very respectable, although 4 in 14 in League Two this season (plus 0 in 3 in the cups, so it’s 4 in 17 all told) hardly sets pulses racing. He also made nine appearances in League One last season and didn’t score.

Harris has 3 in 12 one division higher (5 in 15 including cups) and apparently needs improving on.

Although he’s got a very muscly right leg that he seems keen to show off, and I like that:

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If Sonny Perkins goes back, Joe Hugill done well on the US tour pre season
 
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