Concretebob
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Yes that comment and "a football team adds nothing to Oxford" stick in the mind.what they have a stadium
Yes that comment and "a football team adds nothing to Oxford" stick in the mind.what they have a stadium
Another one for McIvor's door knocking campaignmy absolute fav comment so far from the planning portal quiteView attachment 18494 a few have just dropped
her knuckles are sore already from dragging them along the floor she wont be able to knock on anyone doorAnother one for McIvor's door knocking campaign
Is the planning committee likely to change after the local elections in May or is it set in stone to be the committee making the decision on the Stadium ?For balance, Nigel Simpson should not be there either. He's an OUFC fan and season ticket holder.
The full CDC Planning Committee are listed here: https://modgov.cherwell.gov.uk/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=117
It's currently 8 CON, 3 LAB, 3 LDs, 2 INDs 1 GRN. Those numbers generally work in our favour since we know that the Conservatives and Labour are generally behind this but lose a couple of Tories (such as Simpson above) and in steps Middleton and the numbers look more shaky.
As you mention, Cllr Mawson and reserve Cllr Middleton have made their feelings well known. Neither should be anywhere near this although @Oxymoron seems to be the poster clued up on exactly what seems to be a 'conflict of interest' or predetermined viewpoint. Ian Middleton likes the sound of his voice so much that any one can see that his mind has been made up. Fiona Mawson is harder to prove. I suspect she is 'Ferretmeister' on the OM comments page but she's certainly not said anything majorly damning, nor can we prove it is her. That said, she has voted against the stadium as a KPC councillor though.
I've mentioned before that Cllr McLean has never actually voted against the stadium as a councillor for KPC. She abstained in the 7 September KPC motion to oppose the stadium and was the only KPC councillor to do so (Item 23/059). She's voted in favour of objecting to the stadium unless KPC's usual four demands were met in June 2023. I don't suspect she's a true ally but she's presented herself more fairly knowing she wears more than one councillor hat.
FYI - the next two Planning Commitee meetings are scheduled for Thursday 6th June at 4pm and Thursday 4th July at 4pm.
For balance, Nigel Simpson should not be there either. He's an OUFC fan and season ticket holder.
The full CDC Planning Committee are listed here: https://modgov.cherwell.gov.uk/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=117
It's currently 8 CON, 3 LAB, 3 LDs, 2 INDs 1 GRN. Those numbers generally work in our favour since we know that the Conservatives and Labour are generally behind this but lose a couple of Tories (such as Simpson above) and in steps Middleton and the numbers look more shaky.
As you mention, Cllr Mawson and reserve Cllr Middleton have made their feelings well known. Neither should be anywhere near this although @Oxymoron seems to be the poster clued up on exactly what seems to be a 'conflict of interest' or predetermined viewpoint. Ian Middleton likes the sound of his voice so much that any one can see that his mind has been made up. Fiona Mawson is harder to prove. I suspect she is 'Ferretmeister' on the OM comments page but she's certainly not said anything majorly damning, nor can we prove it is her. That said, she has voted against the stadium as a KPC councillor though.
I've mentioned before that Cllr McLean has never actually voted against the stadium as a councillor for KPC. She abstained in the 7 September KPC motion to oppose the stadium and was the only KPC councillor to do so (Item 23/059). She's voted in favour of objecting to the stadium unless KPC's usual four demands were met in June 2023. I don't suspect she's a true ally but she's presented herself more fairly knowing she wears more than one councillor hat.
FYI - the next two Planning Commitee meetings are scheduled for Thursday 6th June at 4pm and Thursday 4th July at 4pm.
You'd really hope political allegiances are not at play in the decision and the planning application is seen for what is is - a massive opportunity to improve Oxfordshire for future generations.The make up of the committee is likely to change after May's local elections with the Tories predicted to take a kicking.
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you could say that if we dont do it, but as we have said we are welcome it and are doing it thats where the argument stopsBesides the very obvious malicious attempt to delay OUFC and CDC from progressing with the application, i do wonder whether Middleton and FoSB are trying to confect a case using the VISSIM example, that the planning process has not been properly adhered to, in lieu of a hypothetical attempt to get a judicial review, if permission is granted?
It seems a vanishingly thin argument, but that seems to reflect where FoSB and Middleton are at the moment.
No ideaOut of interest, do the support or objections carry any official weight? or is more of a feedback on personal views? And could CDC just refuse it because they don't want it?
Yes, that does seem to be their play. Let's hope the new modelling can be done before 21st June.Besides the very obvious malicious attempt to delay OUFC and CDC from progressing with the application, i do wonder whether Middleton and FoSB are trying to confect a case using the VISSIM example, that the planning process has not been properly adhered to, in lieu of a hypothetical attempt to get a judicial review, if permission is granted?
It seems a vanishingly thin argument, but that seems to reflect where FoSB and Middleton are at the moment.
The irony of an "environmentalist" group using traffic modelling and advocating private car usage to stop the stadium.Yes, that does seem to be their play. Let's hope the new modelling can be done before 21st June.
No idea
Put it this way great wolfe water park in Chesterton had objection after objection must of been hundreds it still got the go ahead
Given Middleton's clear anti-stadium stance and the obvious potential that he could influence his wife, Cllr Mawson's views on this matter, you have to wonder if its appropriate for her to be on the planning committee for the stadium application.
Also, its very likely as the Leader of the Oxfordshire Green Party will try and whip his fellow councillors to share his views so you have to wonder if its fair that any Green Party councillors are on the committee for the stadium application.
Cllr McLean has already voted for anti-stadium motions/opinions on KPC so has fettered her position I'd say.
Lots for Cherwell to consider.
However there is an investigation into predetermination I'd fully expect the Greens to drag their heels in giving evidence to delay the process so perhaps its best Cherwell don't look into it.
Once again, a councillor who has a place on a planning committee (albeit as a reserve) does not seem to know the basics of planning decisions. A planning application can only take into account details that are available at the time for consideration.bit of early morning rattling of chesterView attachment 18490View attachment 18491View attachment 18492
I assume if the Council don't follow such rules to the letter, there is a good chance that there will be an appeal, costing the Council more money and time.Planning, if I understand the process, is not decided on a whim, a political standpoint or even if you just don't like football fans. It's decided on criteria. If the proposal meets the criteria and fulfils any pre-conditions, then there cannot be any grounds for refusal.