Current Player #42 Steve Seddon

RyanioBirdio said:
And yet the one time he actually got a team promoted in his career he had a 30 year old left back with lorry loads of experience, a centre back pairing with a combined age of nearly 60, and so many options at full back that Baldock was sent out on loan as he was third choice on the right. That defence was the third best in the division and was the reason MK went from being entertaining nearly men to promotion winners.

That team scored over 100 league goals that season (and so they bloody should have with the likes of Dele Alli, Will Grigg, Benik Afobe, Devante Cole and Jonson Clarke-Harris all in one squad) so nobody could accuse them of being boring - having a good defence does not mean being defensive or sacrificing ‘entertainment’. They got promoted by two points despite scoring all the goals in the world, and that’s where the defence was the key. Just like when Peterborough finally got promoted last year despite being the division’s top scorers most seasons before that, because their defence was the fourth best rather than being mid-table at best.

Robinson knows how important the defence is, especially when it comes to getting out of this division because he’s done it, so if he’s deciding to ignore it season after season then it seems more than a bit silly. Nobody is asking for anything to change in regards to the style of play and the MK scoring record in 14/15 backs up that it doesn’t need to. Simply get an adequate left back of reasonable ability to offer cover / competition and a centre back who is experienced and capable of organising and playing 90 minutes to a decent level. That’s it.

Or keep having nine forward players competing for three spots, eight or nine midfielders competing for three spots, and so few defensive options that a couple of absences at the back suddenly means people are practically being bandaged up and put out on stretchers. Either way.
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You are clearly right, but do you realize that he just keeps on doing it now to annoy you?
 
RyanioBirdio said:
And yet the one time he actually got a team promoted in his career he had a 30 year old left back with lorry loads of experience, a centre back pairing with a combined age of nearly 60, and so many options at full back that Baldock was sent out on loan as he was third choice on the right. That defence was the third best in the division and was the reason MK went from being entertaining nearly men to promotion winners.

That team scored over 100 league goals that season (and so they bloody should have with the likes of Dele Alli, Will Grigg, Benik Afobe, Devante Cole and Jonson Clarke-Harris all in one squad) so nobody could accuse them of being boring - having a good defence does not mean being defensive or sacrificing ‘entertainment’. They got promoted by two points despite scoring all the goals in the world, and that’s where the defence was the key. Just like when Peterborough finally got promoted last year despite being the division’s top scorers most seasons before that, because their defence was the fourth best rather than being mid-table at best.

Robinson knows how important the defence is, especially when it comes to getting out of this division because he’s done it, so if he’s deciding to ignore it season after season then it seems more than a bit silly. Nobody is asking for anything to change in regards to the style of play and the MK scoring record in 14/15 backs up that it doesn’t need to. Simply get an adequate left back of reasonable ability to offer cover / competition and a centre back who is experienced and capable of organising and playing 90 minutes to a decent level. That’s it.

Or keep having nine forward players competing for three spots, eight or nine midfielders competing for three spots, and so few defensive options that a couple of absences at the back suddenly means people are practically being bandaged up and put out on stretchers. Either way.
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I'm sure were there no squad limit he would have multiple full-backs.

Wouldn't he?

Wouldn’t he?
 
oxajh said:
Our best back 4 is -

Long, Moore, McNally, Seddon.

What’s our back up back 4?

Forde - not a right back
Mousinho - old man
Brown - poor loanee
Hanson? - not a left back

Massive issue.
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Big fan of McNally and would love to see him start more often but with Seddon who does
not play the traditional LB role and is more of Wing back imo i think a left footed player
next to Moore is pretty vital, Wigan targeted McNally who stood up to the challenge really
well even though their goal did come from the left. We play McNally as LCB on a regular
basis and thats where the opposition will look to hurt us, might be asking a bit much to
expect man of the match performances from him every game.

Got to say i think you are being really harsh on Brown, 120 odd minutes in a new team
where he has played half of that in a back 3 and the other half in a back 2 on a horrible night
in Lancashire, give him some time and then lets see.
 
m said:
I'm sure were there no squad limit he would have multiple full-backs.

Wouldn't he?

Wouldn’t he?
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22 man squad not including keepers or u21 players.

4 x Centre backs
2 x right backs
2 x Left backs
4 x Centre mids
2 x left midfield or winger
2 x right midfield or winger
2 x defensive midfielders
3 x strikers

Makes 21 man squad with one more available.

Instead Karl insists in having versatile players who can cover other positions but not as good as the player they have replaced and top heavy in attacking options. 🤔
 
OX14 said:
22 man squad not including keepers or u21 players.

4 x Centre backs
2 x right backs
2 x Left backs
4 x Centre mids
2 x left midfield or winger
2 x right midfield or winger
2 x defensive midfielders
3 x strikers

Makes 21 man squad with one more available.

Instead Karl insists in having versatile players who can cover other positions but not as good as the player they have replaced and top heavy in attacking options. 🤔
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Keepers not included then ?
 
OX14 said:
22 man squad not including keepers or u21 players.

4 x Centre backs
2 x right backs
2 x Left backs
4 x Centre mids
2 x left midfield or winger
2 x right midfield or winger
2 x defensive midfielders
3 x strikers

Makes 21 man squad with one more available.

Instead Karl insists in having versatile players who can cover other positions but not as good as the player they have replaced and top heavy in attacking options. 🤔
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Settled back 4 v High rotation further up the field is why the squad seems so lopsided.

We use 4 wingers per game ( bench included ) 1 injury and thats Plan A out of the window.
 
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DevilsAvocado said:
Settled back 4 v High rotation further up the field is why the squad seems so lopsided.

We use 4 wingers per game ( bench included ) 1 injury and thats Plan A out of the window.
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Settled back four is fine but you need players pushing them for their position which we don't have currently. Up top we seem to have too many players that all play the same style and have the same impact, we don't have a plan b like a striker we can lump it up to and who will hold it up. We have some great players but the balance is all wrong.
 
OX14 said:
22 man squad not including keepers or u21 players.

4 x Centre backs
2 x right backs
2 x Left backs
4 x Centre mids
2 x left midfield or winger
2 x right midfield or winger
2 x defensive midfielders
3 x strikers

Makes 21 man squad with one more available.

Instead Karl insists in having versatile players who can cover other positions but not as good as the player they have replaced and top heavy in attacking options. 🤔
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Absolutely spot on.
That is how a balanced squad should look. It's not rocket science, it's good management/planning.
 
RyanioBirdio said:
And yet the one time he actually got a team promoted in his career he had a 30 year old left back with lorry loads of experience, a centre back pairing with a combined age of nearly 60, and so many options at full back that Baldock was sent out on loan as he was third choice on the right. That defence was the third best in the division and was the reason MK went from being entertaining nearly men to promotion winners.

That team scored over 100 league goals that season (and so they bloody should have with the likes of Dele Alli, Will Grigg, Benik Afobe, Devante Cole and Jonson Clarke-Harris all in one squad) so nobody could accuse them of being boring - having a good defence does not mean being defensive or sacrificing ‘entertainment’. They got promoted by two points despite scoring all the goals in the world, and that’s where the defence was the key. Just like when Peterborough finally got promoted last year despite being the division’s top scorers most seasons before that, because their defence was the fourth best rather than being mid-table at best.

Robinson knows how important the defence is, especially when it comes to getting out of this division because he’s done it, so if he’s deciding to ignore it season after season then it seems more than a bit silly. Nobody is asking for anything to change in regards to the style of play and the MK scoring record in 14/15 backs up that it doesn’t need to. Simply get an adequate left back of reasonable ability to offer cover / competition and a centre back who is experienced and capable of organising and playing 90 minutes to a decent level. That’s it.

Or keep having nine forward players competing for three spots, eight or nine midfielders competing for three spots, and so few defensive options that a couple of absences at the back suddenly means people are practically being bandaged up and put out on stretchers. Either way.
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So Birdio
The question he never got asked in August or January is
Why is the side so lopsided?
Take this window, I’m not sure if the ITK’s can tell us
were we in for a central defender and left back cover and deals fell through and that left us scrabbling around for Brown?
Because if not KR has to look at himself and admit defensively we are not adequately covered and in the end that will cost us promotion
 
Oufcrealist said:
Absolutely spot on.
That is how a balanced squad should look. It's not rocket science, it's good management/planning.
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Except, as previously pointed out, it wouldn't work at all with Karl's system and methods.

Not to say there isn't a happy medium because there bloody should be!
 
m said:
Except, as previously pointed out, it wouldn't work at all with Karl's system and methods.

Not to say there isn't a happy medium because there bloody should be!
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Karl obviously has his reasons and has done quite well so far though the lack of left back cover seems crazy to us. I just wonder what the likes of Mous think of the strategy?
 
The mighty Aldo said:
So Birdio
The question he never got asked in August or January is
Why is the side so lopsided?
Take this window, I’m not sure if the ITK’s can tell us
were we in for a central defender and left back cover and deals fell through and that left us scrabbling around for Brown?
Because if not KR has to look at himself and admit defensively we are not adequately covered and in the end that will cost us promotion
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The signings of Browne, and Smyth were done ahead of deadline day.

He tried to get Sammie Szmodics in. Another advanced player, but ridiculous at this level.

He then decided to get someone in at all costs, and got Ciaran Brown. That wasn’t our initial target. Brought him in nevertheless to add to the left side of defence. Two times I’ve seen him, and I don’t think he’s what we needed. There would of been better out there we could of attracted, but because he reacted late, it’s all we could get at the eleventh hour.

If KR went after a left sided centre half or Left full back early in January, we’d be in a lot better shape.
 
OX14 said:
Settled back four is fine but you need players pushing them for their position which we don't have currently. Up top we seem to have too many players that all play the same style and have the same impact, we don't have a plan b like a striker we can lump it up to and who will hold it up. We have some great players but the balance is all wrong.
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Agree with you about the need for competition and my guess is that once Hanson leaves at the end of the season that
will be the last piece of the jigsaw.

I think the reason they all play in the same style and are very like for like to a degree is so that they can fit straight into
the system and be used in rotation without a worry that it makes us weaker, it really is a case of plan B being to do plan A
better, its the KR way and i dont think we can knock it too much because 2 playoffs and knocking on the door of a 3rd
good campaign suggests its working pretty well.
 
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