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HahahahahaI know it's a bit 'if my auntie was my uncle' but anyone suggesting holding on to second place was fanciful should just let this sink in;
Hold on to two leads last week in home games against Northampton and Orient and hold on to two leads against relegation threatened Reading and we would now be second. Morale of this, get on the front foot when you have a lead and blow inferior opposition away. The buck stops with Buckingham and his unfathomable tactics - simple as that.
I know it's a bit 'if my auntie was my uncle' but anyone suggesting holding on to second place was fanciful should just let this sink in;
Hold on to two leads last week in home games against Northampton and Orient and hold on to two leads against relegation threatened Reading and we would now be second. Morale of this, get on the front foot when you have a lead and blow inferior opposition away. The buck stops with Buckingham and his unfathomable tactics - simple as that.
I know you keep saying it is as simple as that Dick, but it is clear that you are in the minority with that view, judging by the poll alone.I know it's a bit 'if my auntie was my uncle' but anyone suggesting holding on to second place was fanciful should just let this sink in;
Hold on to two leads last week in home games against Northampton and Orient and hold on to two leads against relegation threatened Reading and we would now be second. Morale of this, get on the front foot when you have a lead and blow inferior opposition away. The buck stops with Buckingham and his unfathomable tactics - simple as that.
I know you keep saying it is as simple as that Dick, but it is clear that you are in the minority with that view, judging by the poll alone.
By the same token, nobody is denying that Buckingham is A FACTOR in our performance. Players not performing and doing stupid things/making individual mistakes is also costing us big time.....and thats before we get onto the wage-stealers who are supposedly not performing because they're sulking about the manager . . . .
Everyone, from top to bottom of the club needs to take a long hard look in the mirror, because many of them share the collective blame for our downturn.
Had a quick look and these are the figures I got.Out of interest, can one of the stato's confirm:
- Our xG under Manning vs our actual goals scored
- Our xGA under Manning vs actual goals conceded
- Our xG under Des vs our actual goals scored
- Our xGA under Des vs actual goals conceded
Thank you!
I really think you are, yes.Perhaps it sounds like I'm over simplifying it but am I really ? We are talking about keeping a football out of the bloody net late on or putting a bit more pressure on some very ordinary opposition earlier on. Four absolutely winnable games when we had the momentum, it was all set up nicely. Long in, Burey out, Leigh up front, Brannagan operating from virtually the car park, Dale and Goodwin perform really well but don't get starts despite Harris desperately in need of a rest as Buckingham has often alluded to.
It's chaos. Complete chaos.
I really think you are, yes.
Each of those individual examples you cite (defending properly, not attacking/applying pressure early on, Brannagans positioning - actually I think he was trying to protect a very shaky defence) - unless we know for certain that this is something that Buckingham has explicitly told them to do, then it IS down to players AND manager as a whole to work out why that happened.
And that last sentence of yours perfectly sums up your one-eyed vindictive view of a man struggling with circumstances beyond his control. When did he first rattle your cage?You know how it works though, the manager will always carry the can and rightly so. The players are never going to step forward, they will always hide behind the manager - that's the nature of the beast. If he has explicitly given them instructions and they aren't executing those instructions then there's clearly a breakdown. Whichever way you turn, the buck will stop with Des.
I know you don’t grasp lower league football considering you are a massive armchair Man United fan but even by your standards Baldy you are making yourself sound more stupid by each post.You know how it works though, the manager will always carry the can and rightly so. The players are never going to step forward, they will always hide behind the manager - that's the nature of the beast. If he has explicitly given them instructions and they aren't executing those instructions then there's clearly a breakdown. Whichever way you turn, the buck will stop with Des.
Ssshhhh! He’s watching the Man Utd match on tele. …I know you don’t grasp lower league football considering you are a massive armchair Man United fan but even by your standards Baldy you are making yourself sound more stupid by each post.
I see you chose to ignore the post about the facts of XG which shows we were over performing, this was also highlighted on the football league highlight show at the time.
It is fanciful if you thought we would keep up the form of 8 wins out of 10 all season.
Yeah...cos Steve Evans record of getting teams into the Championship is second to none.Steve Evans would have got us promoted, and the football would probably be easier on the eye than this.
Had a quick look and these are the figures I got.
Manning
xG 20.83 (1.39 p/g) scored 29 = overperformance of around 40%
xGA 18.27 (1.22 p/g) conceded 14 = overperformance of around 25%
Buckingham
xG 25.62 (1.35 p/g) scored 26 = almost bang on, slight overperfomance
xGA 25.26 (1.33 p/g) conceded 29 = close again, just over 10% underperformance
Plenty of people have said that we were overperforming in terms of goals scored under Manning and it wasn't sustainable which is backed up here, as others have said relying on Leigh to score a goal a game was likely to end in tears. For what it's worth if everything went according to this Manning's xG would have us 8th and Buckingham's 10th. Doesn't factor in difficulty of opponent, players available etc of course.
I know you don’t grasp lower league football considering you are a massive armchair Man United fan but even by your standards Baldy you are making yourself sound more stupid by each post.
I see you chose to ignore the post about the facts of XG which shows we were over performing, this was also highlighted on the football league highlight show at the time.
It is fanciful if you thought we would keep up the form of 8 wins out of 10 all season.
XG !!!!!! I don’t need XG to tell me what I’m seeing. Forget your XG for a minute, you tell me if I’m being wildly reckless in my thinking to suggest we should have seen off both Northampton and Orient last week and won both the Reading fixtures. Forget 8 out of 10, I’m pinpointing four fixtures where we had the games in the palm of our hand but chose to revert to an ultra defensive and pedestrian mindset that has ended up costing us an automatic position and very likely a play off place too.
You’ve been watching too much Sky and have got to entangled in stats. Are you not capable of watching a match and forming an opinion of what you’re seeing without flicking to your phone to see what the match stats annd XG are ? God help your Mrs, I bet when the moment comes it’s ’hold on darling, let me just have a quick look on my phone, you should have your right leg there, your left arm there …..’
A fan bamboozled by stats to try and reverse the blindingly obvious.
Dick is Baldy, Baldy is a dickThe most random comparison ever there, between XG and sex, Dick just went full Baldy.
*WORKING ON 3 POINTS FOR A WIN | |||||||
Manager | PL | W | D | L | WIN % | Points | PPG* |
Jim Smith | 228 | 113 | 62 | 53 | 49.6 | 401 | 1.76 |
Ron Saunders | 12 | 6 | 3 | 3 | 50.0 | 21 | 1.75 |
Liam Manning | 25 | 12 | 7 | 6 | 48.0 | 43 | 1.72 |
Chris Wilder | 234 | 108 | 62 | 64 | 46.2 | 386 | 1.65 |
Ian Greaves | 41 | 17 | 14 | 10 | 41.5 | 65 | 1.59 |
Michael Appleton | 138 | 59 | 39 | 40 | 42.8 | 216 | 1.57 |
Ramon Diaz | 25 | 10 | 7 | 8 | 40.0 | 37 | 1.48 |
Ian Atkins | 110 | 43 | 33 | 34 | 39.1 | 162 | 1.47 |
Karl Robinson | 222 | 88 | 56 | 78 | 39.6 | 320 | 1.44 |
Mick Brown | 151 | 49 | 56 | 66 | 32.5 | 203 | 1.34 |
Denis Smith | 234 | 87 | 50 | 97 | 37.2 | 311 | 1.33 |
Pep Clotet | 29 | 10 | 8 | 11 | 34.5 | 38 | 1.31 |
Gerry Summers | 261 | 83 | 80 | 98 | 31.8 | 329 | 1.26 |
Des Buckingham | 18 | 5 | 7 | 6 | 27.8 | 22 | 1.22 |
Malcolm Shotton | 79 | 22 | 30 | 27 | 27.8 | 96 | 1.22 |
Brian Horton | 220 | 67 | 60 | 93 | 30.5 | 261 | 1.19 |
Bill Asprey | 71 | 19 | 20 | 32 | 26.8 | 77 | 1.08 |
Brian Talbot | 35 | 8 | 13 | 14 | 22.9 | 37 | 1.06 |
Maurice Evans | 115 | 27 | 35 | 53 | 23.5 | 116 | 1.01 |
Mark Wright | 19 | 4 | 7 | 8 | 21.1 | 19 | 1.00 |
Graham Rix | 26 | 6 | 7 | 13 | 23.1 | 25 | 0.96 |
Mark Lawrenson | 21 | 4 | 8 | 11 | 19.0 | 20 | 0.95 |
David Kemp | 28 | 6 | 3 | 19 | 21.4 | 21 | 0.75 |
Gary Wwaddock | 8 | 1 | 0 | 7 | 12.5 | 3 | 0.38 |
Malcolm Crosby | 4 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0.0 | 1 | 0.25 |
Not including any games as caretaker manager |
I think Malcom Crosby was only ever a caretaker manager.OUFC Managers ranked by points per game
Permanent managers only from Ron Saunders to date
Does not include any caretaker matches for these managers
League games only
*WORKING ON 3 POINTS FOR A WIN Manager PL W D L WIN % Points PPG* Jim Smith 228 113 62 53 49.6 401 1.76 Ron Saunders 12 6 3 3 50.0 21 1.75 Liam Manning 25 12 7 6 48.0 43 1.72 Chris Wilder 234 108 62 64 46.2 386 1.65 Ian Greaves 41 17 14 10 41.5 65 1.59 Michael Appleton 138 59 39 40 42.8 216 1.57 Ramon Diaz 25 10 7 8 40.0 37 1.48 Ian Atkins 110 43 33 34 39.1 162 1.47 Karl Robinson 222 88 56 78 39.6 320 1.44 Mick Brown 151 49 56 66 32.5 203 1.34 Denis Smith 234 87 50 97 37.2 311 1.33 Pep Clotet 29 10 8 11 34.5 38 1.31 Gerry Summers 261 83 80 98 31.8 329 1.26 Des Buckingham 18 5 7 6 27.8 22 1.22 Malcolm Shotton 79 22 30 27 27.8 96 1.22 Brian Horton 220 67 60 93 30.5 261 1.19 Bill Asprey 71 19 20 32 26.8 77 1.08 Brian Talbot 35 8 13 14 22.9 37 1.06 Maurice Evans 115 27 35 53 23.5 116 1.01 Mark Wright 19 4 7 8 21.1 19 1.00 Graham Rix 26 6 7 13 23.1 25 0.96 Mark Lawrenson 21 4 8 11 19.0 20 0.95 David Kemp 28 6 3 19 21.4 21 0.75 Gary Wwaddock 8 1 0 7 12.5 3 0.38 Malcolm Crosby 4 0 1 3 0.0 1 0.25 Not including any games as caretaker manager