New Stadium Plans - The Triangle - Planning

[Billyox]

I agree that's why I didn't put house number

 

[Billyox]

Genuine question - is there a minimum age for someone to post a comment to the planning application. My son would like to and he is under 16.

Just do it doesn't ask for dob and I think this is much more for there future than for us old gits

 

[Coffin dodger]

Other than almost killing the entire football club?

My point was it was tough but they bounced back very well.

 

[Banbury2018]

"18,000 additional cars on football match days"
didnt know under 17 could drive

18000? We must all even my 10&14 years old sons be driving 1.1 cars!!

 

[Jakeyboy13]

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Build it next to the M40 and have a bridge to the station that is one hell of a bridge

Some people really are as thick as pig s**t....unbelievable !!

 

[WeAreTheLeft]

Maybe it's worth emailing the planning people?

Its written in the planning legislation that comments cannot be anonymous. Any that are will be disregarded. It is also worth noting from a planners perspective that comments are grouped under the address it was sent from, so multiple comments from one household would still only count as one response if your keeping score of numbers. That also applies to multiple objections / documents being sent in from a certain noisy campaign group.

 

[Oxymoron]

Absolutely correct - a basic principle of our legal system is that justice is seen to be done and that maxim appies to government in all it's guises

One comment - every individual has a right to make a representation to a planning application, so multiple responses from a given address will not be aggregated if they are from different individuals - husband, wife, lodger etc

 

[Carpy]

I'm consciously waiting until after the FOSB advice goes out before I send in my response to the Planning Portal. The reason being that I want my positive response to counter the negative NIMBYs.

Also, I shall be using my OX5 postcode and that, and the fact I'm 67 years of age, means I should fit the demographic of being anti stadium, but in fact one of the factors when I bought the property was to be close to the stadium, and all of the benefits it will bring.

Colin: I'm bored of counting the same old dots, please let me have some new ones

 

[Malc]

@Carpy
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[Steve Gilbert]

our local company director is back at it again

I have read the planning application for the stadium at the triangle in Kidlington and havethe following concerns:Traffic and transportThe planning statement anticipates that 580 annual events at the stadium and proposes astadium with 18,000 seats and lounge access for 1,000 guests. Parking at this site will beavailable for only 81 realistic spaces.The Kidlington roads that I live and walk around are already congested. Where is the AirQuality Management Plan that supports the addition of up to 16,000 additional cars onfootball match days?There is no evidence that supporters (that don't currently use public transport to attendKassam), will suddenly change because of this proposed move to Kidlington?There is no evidence that supporters will use the train.Is there any UK case study evidence to demonstrate that football supporters will suddenlymove their journey habits to rail?Of the 24 teams in League One, where Oxford United play, most would find it challenging totravel by train. There is no evidence that this form of transport (which is the sustainabilityclaim of the application), would result in majority supporters taking rail transport to theground.There is no plan for the additional congestion, traffic spill, double parking and increasedautomotive exhaust emissions that will ensue form this ill-considered application. This willcause considerable harm and safety issues to local children and residents.The plan to install a crossing over Frieze Way (which I already now being constructed as partof roundabout adjustments, and prior to this application being considered), effectivelyagrees that parking will spill over into Kidlington residential streets. Is this move to install aCrossing at Freize Way an acceptance that this application has already been agreed?Supporters that travel by train or bus (as the application proposes), would have no otherreason to cross Frieze Way to and from Kidlington.The Fan Travel section of the Sustainability Statement bases all of its 'what if' beliefs on twosurveys of football supporters. It shows over 83.1% of supporters currently travel by privatetransport (cars and vans).The 'what if' ambition suggests a 33% reduction in CO2e emissions if car use dropped to32%. What and where is the evidence for this?Away supporters will all have at least one change to make, in order to take trains to the site.If supporters claim they would not drive to site, why is this not evident currently in the 89%figure, where only 16.9% use sustainable forms of travel?And why on match days are all roads leading to and from the Kassam loaded with parkedcars?Green BeltThere is a very high bar that needs to be reached to justify building on green belt land.These 'very special circumstances' to justify the proposed development in the Green Belthave not been demonstrated.The three case studies used in the application to justify these 'very special circumstances'are far from relevant here.Specifically:1. Newcastle Falcons in 2002, did not already occupy a 23-year-old football stadium (witha 60-year life) that already had foundations and potential to expand it to 16,000 seats. Norare OUFC members of a prestigious league such as the Premier league.2. Brighton and Hove Albion: In 2001, this case was called in. It took until 2005 for thesecretary of state to judge in their favour, only for this to be quashed in 2006 and not finallyapproved until 2007. In this case, OUFC would be without a stadium until 2031.Consequently, OUFC should be building relationships with Mr Kassam.3. Southend United in 2008, was not to be built on green belt land. This is thereforeirrelevant.These cases are 20 years old. All Oxfordshire Councils have since recognised climate changeas an existential 'emergency'.There were no alternate sites in these three case study locations. There are 42 beingconsidered in Oxfordshire, 8 of which not in the green belt. The Kidlington site is not inOxford. These case studies are put forward to justify a case for building on green belt land.None of these three are at all relevant to this application and do not provide a precedent forbuilding on green belt land.OUFCs failure to consider the future of their club, and to negotiate and agree contracts withthe Kassam owners for the longevity of the site (60 years) are unforgivably poor businessdecisions. Green belt cannot be rolled over as a result of such poor business decisions orweak business management. These are business decisions and are not the concern f theresidents of Kidlington who would-be left to pick up the pieces of this.How do OUFC propose to act if the same poor management leads to disagreement with theirnew owner. Will they be seeking to demolish this and build another stadium?Biodiversity Net GainThe claims that this site isn't highly biodiverse are intrinsically false. The site is rich inbiodiversity including but not confined to great crested newt, badgers, and bats.These are all protected species. Since we understand that it is now universally accepted thatthe monitoring equipment installed at the site to detect these bats was removed very shortlyafter it was installed, there have effectively been no bat surveys conducted.This is legal requirement in such an area. In terms o these species, absence of evidence isnot evidence of absence.What are the new and improved habitats? "The vision has been to incorporate flexible multifunctional spaces, monocultured (and aesthetically pleasant trees and shrubs) that can beenjoyed whether it be a match day or not".This fails to understand anything about Biodiversity. Biodiversity net gain is not about givingover green and wild lands to public wanderings.How exactly can the building of a concrete and asphalt mass on this site, add a 10% netbiodiversity gain?That is built on the false assumption that the site is currently biodiversity neutral andcontains no biodiversity. This is evidently and absolutely not the case.ConstructionThe talk of a Route Map for Avoidable Waste in Construction would be far better delivered bynot constructing. Instead, OUFC and its new owner should be coming to a sustainablebusiness arrangement with Mr Kassam to build a fourth stand at the Kassam and upgradefacilities there.This will avoid the need to demolish a perfectly good and adaptable stadium and avoid all ofthe embodied carbon being lost from this 23 year old site. An approach similar to shareownership of the Kassam site may be an option. Where is the evidence that such discussionsbeen conducted 'to exhaustion' between the old and new owner and OUFC themselves?Carbon Reduction PledgesThe summary claims a 51% CO2e reduction by moving to Stratfield Brake. The stadium isnot being built at Stratfield Brake, so how is this relevant?The 'what if' reductions discussed in this Sustainability Statement, are exactly that, what ifsand pipe dreams.What if the stadium were to be built to Olympic standards or to BREEAM Outstanding andconfirmed as this? Instead, we see vaguely aspirational goal to be diluted if they use toomuch capital funding and start to look like they might not be 'economically viable'.A voluntary BREEAM 'Very Good' equates to 55% of what an outstanding build would looklike. This application demonstrates absolutely no will to build a sustainable or world classstadium. Simply a cheap and quick build to satisfy the financial benefits of an overseas palmoil investor.By simply asking the question 'what if?" OUFC are failing to make any pledges ordemonstrate any evidence of agreed and firm CO2e reduction actions or means thereof. theyhave provided no evidence that any f these 'aspirations will be delivered.Given that buildings account for 37% of total GHG emissions; How can Oxfordshire CountyCouncil who have supported this project from the start "Do their part to achieve a net zerocarbon district by 2030 and to lead through example" whilst acting in this way?Yours faithfully

Well to be fair, he has one thing sort of right, there is no evidence….of anything in which he has claimed!
18000 cars? So not only are kids now driving to games, we have 2000 fans who won’t even be able to get in and watch the game!
I am getting bored of them claiming all these events will be held at the stadium, making out that it will bring in sell out crowds. Events will also mean hosting conferences throughout the week for maybe 30-100 delegates.

As for the constant claim of grid locking Kidlington on a match day, you could be in Kidlington town centre on a Saturday and not even realise a game was going on, just like you cant notice it now in Cowley, Littlemore and Blackbird leys!

 

[werthersoriginal]

Well to be fair, he has one thing sort of right, there is no evidence….of anything in which he has claimed!
18000 cars? So not only are kids now driving to games, we have 2000 fans who won’t even be able to get in and watch the game!
I am getting bored of them claiming all these events will be held at the stadium, making out that it will bring in sell out crowds. Events will also mean hosting conferences throughout the week for maybe 30-100 delegates.

As for the constant claim of grid locking Kidlington on a match day, you could be in Kidlington town centre on a Saturday and not even realise a game was going on, just like you cant notice it now in Cowley, Littlemore and Blackbird leys!

It’s extraordinary how little impact the games make on the surrounding area. I can walk to the ground through Littlemore and the only sign of the game is the odd dad and kid combo in yellow shirts and the signs saying no non-resident parking on this date.

 

[Marked Ox]

Possibly waiting for a late push so that people do not get "support fatigue" which might happen if the club were constantly reminding/encouraging people to respond.

Will also be interesting to see what is the thrust of the "anti-advice"" being issued next week. It may be possible to emphasise support from a certain perspective to water-down any advantage that their late attempts to influence opinion might have.

That is why I'm waiting before replying.

 

[LowerSouth]

That is why I'm waiting before replying.

Me too

 

[Steve Gilbert]

I will also point out that to counter their argument about fans not changing their current travel plans, the new stadium will mean I am likely to get the train down to home games rather than drive the current 262 mile round trip from North Wales in my diesel car.

 

[Oxymoron]

our local company director is back at it again
then did it again using a different name just changed a few bits

Those three representations are so similar that they will undoubtedly get "flagged" irrespective of the validity of the majority of the comments made.

What is interesting is that a third person has submitted a response from the given address (albeit abbreviated) where the most simple search of the public domain will generate just two persons corresponding to that property.

I'm not suggesting anything underhand, it's possible that a perhaps long-lost relative has recently moved to be with his or her family.....

 

[Steve Gilbert]

Those three representations are so similar that they will undoubtedly get "flagged" irrespective of the validity of the majority of the comments made.

What is interesting is that a third person has submitted a response from the given address (albeit abbreviated) where the most simple search of the public domain will generate just two persons corresponding to that property.

I'm not suggesting anything underhand, it's possible that a perhaps long-lost relative has recently moved to be with his or her family.....

They are the masters of their own downfall and are now constantly playing into our hands.

 

[Bicester Yellow]

"18,000 additional cars on football match days"
didnt know under 17 could drive

Some would probably drive better than the adults you find on the road

 

[Concretebob]

Its written in the planning legislation that comments cannot be anonymous. Any that are will be disregarded. It is also worth noting from a planners perspective that comments are grouped under the address it was sent from, so multiple comments from one household would still only count as one response if your keeping score of numbers. That also applies to multiple objections / documents being sent in from a certain noisy campaign group.

Thank you for the explanation

 

[holdsteady]

"18,000 additional cars on football match days"
didnt know under 17 could drive

A few of us are planning on bringing two cars in case one breaks down, going to tow the second one. I recommend it, real piece of mind knowing you have a spare.

 

[Concretebob]

So I reached out to Cllr Miller on social media regarding the Heads of Terms and received this back from his people (part 1/2)