National News Sir Keir Starmer

That's just how it works, folk say something, it gets taken out of context and the system grinds on......


Retaining her independence despite the hefty workload which includes Sir Ed Davey... amongst plenty of others.
It is quite amusing that you keep on returning Ed Davey, like it is some kind of justification for the mostly bent Tories under investigation[emoji6]

As you were.....nothing untoward here!

So glad that Moggy got off, because essentially he can't influence himself by loaning money to himself as sole director of the company at the time.

I'm sure everyone lends themselves £6m all the time..... don't they?....no?

Sharp practiced from Tories....who'd have thunk it!
 
It is quite amusing that you keep on returning Ed Davey, like it is some kind of justification for the mostly bent Tories under investigation[emoji6]

As you were.....nothing untoward here!

So glad that Moggy got off, because essentially he can't influence himself by loaning money to himself as sole director of the company at the time.

I'm sure everyone lends themselves £6m all the time..... don't they?....no?

Sharp practiced from Tories....who'd have thunk it!

Well, Ed reported himself as an "oversight". 🤷‍♀️

Nothing wrong with legitimate business practice is there?

Probably explains why the EFL ownership tests are taking so long. :)

"Money" - just numbers on spreadsheets...... and can be created just as easily it seems.
 
Well, Ed reported himself as an "oversight". [emoji2368]

Nothing wrong with legitimate business practice is there?

Probably explains why the EFL ownership tests are taking so long. :)

"Money" - just numbers on spreadsheets...... and can be created just as easily it seems.
And you'll justify anything, as long as long as it wears a blue rosette.

Just as you have been furiously trying to do since the Owen Patterson affair started stinking the place out.....and way before that with all the contracts handed out to the favoured by the Chumocracy.

Every time the Tories have been caught with their pants down, you've tried to play it down or justify their actions, until it becomes obvious to everyone that it is indefensible.

Some of us demand better from those we employ[emoji6]

Seen any good opinion polls lately?
 
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And you'll justify anything, as long as long as it wears a blue rosette.

Just as you have been furiously trying to do since the Owen Patterson affair started stinking the place out.....and way before that with all the contracts handed out to the favoured by the Chumocracy.

Every time the Tories have been caught with their pants down, you've tried to play it down or justify their actions, until it becomes obvious to everyone that it is indefensible.

Some of us demand better from those we employ[emoji6]

Seen any good opinion polls lately?

Considering the current situation and the "indefensibility" of it there isn`t much of a gap?

Maybe ask yourself why that is?

No alternative plan?
Supporting HMG at the majority of votes?
Their own "problems"?
Their "leadership"?

Folk aren`t really bothered about cheese & wine on the patio??
 
That's a no then.

Ok, how about by-election results then. How are they going?

You see , even when presented with clear evidence that Boris is a busted flush who will only further damage the Tories (nothing wrong with that) as they descend into ever more bitter infighting....and that most of those conned into lending their votes in 2019 have seen no tangible benefits, means the Government is in a very perilous position. They are completely tone deaf and out of touch. Disasterous results in previously"dead sheep" Tory seats means the writing is on the wall

Omicron has come at just the right time for them as they can focus everyone's attention on that, however it is clear they no longer have a workable majority and are having to rely on the opposition to get votes on issues of public safety through....not a good place for any government to be, not least one with such a massive majority.

And you just know that when Omicron fades into memory, there will be the Tory party with fresh scandal, fresh infighting, fresh sabre rattling in Europe with Lizzy, fresh empty rhetoric on levelling up. Nothing will change, they will still be the government of fudge, chaos and no tangible results. And because Boris has never seen himself as the problem (since Eton, it seems) he will continue to blunder on regardless, fiddling all the way, whilst Rome burns around him.

One thing that will change however, will be the opinion of the public towards them... especially as they get poorer as a result of the squeeze on cost of living we're only just starting to experience....and not in the direction you will like.

But the I'm alright Jack's will still be trying to convince everyone that everything is fine with Bojo and co[emoji1745]
 
That's just how it works, folk say something, it gets taken out of context and the system grinds on......


Retaining her independence despite the hefty workload which includes Sir Ed Davey... amongst plenty of others.

It isn't out of context. The Govt tried to usurp the system to get Owen Paterson off even though he broke the rules more than once. Rees-Mogg was one of the architects of this plan and as part of that was his (and others) publically attacking/undermining the Commissioner in the media. Fortunately, the outrage publically stopped this.
 

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And the two defeats have been at the hands of the Lib Dems in classic protest vote fashion. [emoji2368]

Meanwhile, Labour has managed 1 hold out of 6 by-elections which speaks more about the country mood than a backwater football forum. :)

And as you know, that protest vote is only getting stronger. Get the Tories out will only build between now and the next GE, they've pissed too many people off this time

But typical Tory arrogance will try and pass this off as normal mid term blues, whilst everyone but the most blinded can see that this is very different, this is a return to the Tory sleaze that brought down Major's government, this is a about the lack of character and morals of the very people who are the architects of the current populist version of the Tory party...A party that has proved time and again that the "them and us" isn't Labour or Tory or Lib Den, It's Tory high command and their paymasters and enablers, with everyone else on the other side of the fence...even though plenty still think they're on the same side of said fence as the government. This is the worst form of Selfservitism possible - as dishonest as it is pernicious.

This is a party, lest we forget, that won a general election on a single issue...Get Brexit done.

And what a clusterfuck that is turning out to be.....and it will only get worse, especially with a government that continues to be in denial, but it's OK, I'm sure things will be OK-ish in 50 odd years when most who voted for it are worm food.

Up to you whether you continue in your denial that the Tories are engulfed in scandal after scandal. That there is utter paralysis of leadership at the top of the party and the vultures are circling. That yet again the Tory party is dancing to the tune of the loonies in the ERG....a problem they've never got to grips with since Major and his infamous bastards.

Did you ever get your application in for Allegra Stratton's job?

Boris could use an ego masseur like you right now[emoji1787]
 
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And the two defeats have been at the hands of the Lib Dems in classic protest vote fashion. 🤷‍♀️

Meanwhile, Labour has managed 1 hold out of 6 by-elections which speaks more about the country mood than a backwater football forum. :)
Amersham will revert to Tory at the next election.

For all her bluster on HS2, daily leaflet dropping and talk of the tories complacency....
noone has heard a whisper from the new MP since she was elected, and the destruction of all things beautiful in a huge swathe across her constituency in the name of whatever the F*** this goddam rail b*LL*cks is all about continues apace, so she sure ain't going to hold on next time round
 
Amersham will revert to Tory at the next election.

For all her bluster on HS2, daily leaflet dropping and talk of the tories complacency....
noone has heard a whisper from the new MP since she was elected, and the destruction of all things beautiful in a huge swathe across her constituency in the name of whatever the F*** this goddam rail b*LL*cks is all about continues apace, so she sure ain't going to hold on next time round
Do you seriously think she had any power to stop HS2?

Local planning encroachment, maybe, but HS2....not a hope!
 
It is quite amusing that you keep on returning Ed Davey, like it is some kind of justification for the mostly bent Tories under investigation[emoji6]

As you were.....nothing untoward here!

So glad that Moggy got off, because essentially he can't influence himself by loaning money to himself as sole director of the company at the time.

I'm sure everyone lends themselves £6m all the time..... don't they?....no?

Sharp practiced from Tories....who'd have thunk it!
Quite a few company owners 'lend' themselves company funds instead of paid income - it is usually done as a tax avoidance thing.
 
And as you know, that protest vote is only getting stronger. Get the Tories out will only build between now and the next GE, they've pissed too many people off this time

But typical Tory arrogance will try and pass this off as normal mid term blues, whilst everyone but the most blinded can see that this is very different, this is a return to the Tory sleaze that brought down Major's government, this is a about the lack of character and morals of the very people who are the architects of the current populist version of the Tory party...A party that has proved time and again that the "them and us" isn't Labour or Tory or Lib Den, It's Tory high command and their paymasters and enablers, with everyone else on the other side of the fence...even though plenty still think they're on the same side of said fence as the government. This is the worst form of Selfservitism possible - as dishonest as it is pernicious.

This is a party, lest we forget, that won a general election on a single issue...Get Brexit done.

And what a clusterfuck that is turning out to be.....and it will only get worse, especially with a government that continues to be in denial, but it's OK, I'm sure things will be OK-ish in 50 odd years when most who voted for it are worm food.

Up to you whether you continue in your denial that the Tories are engulfed in scandal after scandal. That there is utter paralysis of leadership at the top of the party and the vultures are circling. That yet again the Tory party is dancing to the tune of the loonies in the ERG....a problem they've never got to grips with since Major and his infamous bastards.

Did you ever get your application in for Allegra Stratton's job?

Boris could use an ego masseur like you right now[emoji1787]
Majors government was up against a Blair run Labour Party that was a government in waiting, there were some quality politicians in that lot. I'm pretty sure even you can see this Labour Party is not the same, if they were they would be 15-20 points in front and not losing seats in by elections.
 
Majors government was up against a Blair run Labour Party that was a government in waiting, there were some quality politicians in that lot. I'm pretty sure even you can see this Labour Party is not the same, if they were they would be 15-20 points in front and not losing seats in by elections.
But how did you know it was a "government in waiting" as you put it, and how do you know that the current Labour shadows aren't.....How have you come to a conclusion that they are less competent than Blair's shadow cabinet of 1995 (2 years out from a GE) for example?

I would suggest that a favourable media profile has an awful lot to do with it. Blair schmoozed the media and got them onside a long time before his election victory. The Sun in particular made a huge song and dance about it in the lead up to the 97 election. Cameron did the same when he was narrowly elected as coalition leader, and Bojo has had favourable media until very recently, but presumably he has now pissed off too many of his erstwhile chums in the industry (Max Haistings was bang on about him), among a litany of other misdemeanors. But Murdoch et al are not ready to jettison the Tory movement full stop as they are fearful of what they might lose and the scrutiny they may receive with an alternative (as with the backing of Brexit). So they are not dissing the Tories per se, just plainly unhappy with Boris. It hasn't gone unnoticed either that the Telegraph has gone into full on ERG mode in recent months as some kind of bizarre counterweight trying to claw back public opinion....

Labour on the other hand is coming out of a catastrophic lurch to the left with Corbyn, which was manna from heaven for most of the media - it made their job easy. And whilst their direction of travel is clear, they are still on that journey. Even true lefty rags like the Guardian are a bit lukewarm on Keith....probably because they went balls-deep into Corbyn at the time and fear that SKS may be another Tory-lite Blair type (which the conflicted ironically see as the most electable version of Labour).

Add in a response to a global pandemic which needs leadership and consensus on the way to tackle it (not that the government are able to provide either on their own) and maybe profile raising for political gain is not all that important right now. Let the government carry on lurching from crisis to crisis for a while longer and it does much of the hard work for them

As for the by-elections, given that all bar one of them were prior to the current recent Tory scandals, I don't think there's much to read in to them either way, but the effect of that scandal has been clear for all to see ever since. Latest opinion polls (22nd Dec) have Labour 6 points clear and as the biggest party in a hung parliament if an election were called tomorrow. Tories were in the lead up until late November. Labours inability to gain an overall majority has more to do with the collapse of their vote in Scotland since 2015 as it does with anything else - they used to typically rely on 40 seats there before that time (which would give them an overall majority in aforementioned scenario) - not any more. And lets face it, the Tories chances of forming a coalition with anyone but NI loyalists and the odd brain fart that might give us a whack-job reform MP, are slim to non-existent, so they will not be forming the next Government as things stand.....

But hey, 2 years is an awfully long time in politics 🤷‍♂️

But Brexit will still be a shitshow by then :ROFLMAO:

And the vast majority of households will probably be worse off to boot - never a good place for a sitting government to argue it's case from.

And as the last election result was effectively won by the least bad option, I reckon Labour will stand a much better chance in 2024 ;)
 
I only read the last sentence of that, the summary is we are f*cked whichever way - is that right?
 
I only read the last sentence of that, the summary is we are f*cked whichever way - is that right?
Must try harder....[emoji1787]

Anyway, interesting to see what has come to light about the infighting in Blair's government from National Archive papers just released: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-sleaze-concerns-laid-bare-in-archive-papers?

Favourable media profile at the time ensured this barely made a ripple. I mean, it's not on the scale of Tory sleaze obviously....they are the best in the business at it[emoji6]
 
Must try harder....[emoji1787]

Anyway, interesting to see what has come to light about the infighting in Blair's government from National Archive papers just released: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-sleaze-concerns-laid-bare-in-archive-papers?

Favourable media profile at the time ensured this barely made a ripple. I mean, it's not on the scale of Tory sleaze obviously....they are the best in the business at it[emoji6]


Sleaze claims worried Blair aides, files show https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59824454

Another interesting article.

£650,000 refurb for a flat !! eye watering.

£23k for 2 handmade beds. You can get 14 floating duck houses for that 🙄

The new Lord Chancellor being one of Tony’s chums too 🤷🏼‍♂️

And previously Maggie had spent £1.2 million.. Jesus wept.
 
Wes Streeting doing today what Starmer should have done yesterday.

Now if he was leader.......................
 
Allegations surfacing that Barry Gardiner (Lab MP - Brent Nth) has received £425,000 from the Chinese government and appears (allegedly) to have hosted a Chinese "spy" in the HoC.
No squirrels here.
 
Allegations surfacing that Barry Gardiner (Lab MP - Brent Nth) has received £425,000 from the Chinese government and appears (allegedly) to have hosted a Chinese "spy" in the HoC.
No squirrels here.
The Chinese are trying to interfere with our politics by making payments to a Labour MP???? I think there's a small problem with that plan 🤣
 
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