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Defence needs improvement next season even when we play with our best back 5 of (Steven Long Moore Atkinson Ruffels) we’ve still been a defence that concedes 2 or more goals like we did at the beginning of the season far to often when all 5 play (Gillingham Wimbledon Shrewsbury all examples just recently) + 4 of this 5 couldn’t deal with Blackpool’s threat over them 2 legs very well, we have to get to there level by being solid like Blackpool have this season & that needs improvements in all areas both full backs & an experienced centreback if we are going to go 1 better next year
Here is the last eight years of League One. This details where a team finished / how they were promoted and where they ranked (brackets) in terms of goals conceded:

13/14
1 Wolves (1st)
2 Brentford (2nd)
P/O Rotherham (9th)

14/15
1 Bristol City (1st)
2 MK Dons (3rd)
P/O Preston (2nd)

15/16
1 Wigan (3rd)
2 Burton (1st)
P/O Barnsley (8th)

16/17
1 Sheffield United (4th)
2 Bolton (1st)
P/O Millwall (11th)

17/18
1 Wigan (1st)
2 Blackburn (2nd)
P/O Rotherham (7th)

18/19
1 Luton (3rd)
2 Barnsley (1st)
P/O Charlton (2nd)

19/20*
1 Coventry (1st*)
2 Rotherham (8th*)
P/O Wycombe (10th*)

20/21
1 Hull (2nd)
2 Peterborough (4th)
P/O Blackpool (1st) or Lincoln (7th) or Sunderland (3rd)

19/20 with Rotherham is a complete anomaly because everybody only played three quarters of a season, so it was left to PPG to settle everything. It’s difficult to know who would have finished where, or where that would have ranked everybody defensively as a result, so I’ve marked it with an asterisk but have included it regardless.

Robinson’s lone promotion with MK came about with the third best defence in the division. Unless you have a top 5 defence, realistically top 3/4, you aren’t getting automatic promotion without the help of a global pandemic shutting down the season early. That’s just the facts - if you can’t defend you’ve already thrown in the towel on the top two before a ball has been kicked. The data is there; it isn’t an opinion.

Even our L2 promotion team was built on the best defence in the division, and that was despite having two actively awful keepers who kept dropping clangers. I don’t think anybody would call that team boring or conservative - being able to defend doesn’t mean being defensive. That justification is a cop out. It’s intentionally misleading. If anything a solid back line gives you more ability to be attacking and score even more goals, because it lets the team push up further and assume a more aggressive starting point. Sorting the defence can be one of the most attacking things you can do.

We need more than five defenders including only two full backs, which results in midfielders drawing straws to see who has to go and fill in when someone has to miss a few games. Otherwise the playoffs is the best we will ever achieve, at which point we need to be able to post good numbers against the top 7/8 sides all season long. We also have a manager who has now lost all four of his playoff campaigns. Not digging him out - I’m saying it all has to go into the pot when you consider what you’re doing and why. It’s relevant. You need to be able to find something in your squad, be it on the pitch or in the dugout, that justifies the approach. You need to be able to point to something and go, “That’s why this is approach is sensible and might work.” You have to justify your decisions.

If you don’t want to defend or invest properly in the players whose job it is to do it, top two is gone. If you can’t beat the best sides and don’t have any experience in what it takes to win a playoff from the manager, you’re extremely unlikely to navigate your way through those three games successfully, so the playoffs become pretty much a write-off as well as the automatics. What’s the plan at that point? What’s the goal? What are we here for besides glorious defeat at best if we take both the automatics and playoffs off the table? What’s it for?

People can get as huffy as they like about it - I’m arguing for success based on facts and evidence. Anybody arguing the other way is arguing for failure. Which one of us is a TRUE fan in that scenario?

We need to raise the standard as well as add a bit of depth at the back. Even conceding 5 goals less in a season can net you 10 extra points. Fingers crossed we don’t get distracted by wingers and attacking midfielders. We need those too, obviously, but a bit of balance wouldn’t go amiss.

Let’s see what the squad looks like by August. Lots of time.
 
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Forde:

He’s only good at set-pieces if he’s on the pitch to take them, and his overall play has warranted that too often.

If association football had a similar rule to American football, where a specialist kicker can be brought into the field, I’d keep Forde.

It doesn’t, so we shouldn’t.
 
Forde:

He’s only good at set-pieces if he’s on the pitch to take them, and his overall play has warranted that too often.

If association football had a similar rule to American football, where a specialist kicker can be brought into the field, I’d keep Forde.

It doesn’t, so we shouldn’t.
I dont agree, I think his play has been pretty good, just that we have a lot of options for right wing ir midfield
 
I do wonder if at times we are not direct enough.
Blackpool were pretty direct often belting it into the channels for their strikers to chase and put the full backs under pressure. In addition their dead balls with Garbutt especially were always dangerous ( Henry had a very poor game in the first game but Forde's delivery was excellent yesterday)
That’s something I’ve been shouting at the tv and the games we’ve seen this season, but unfortunately we way to puss about passing it sideways back to Jack out to Long/Ruffles to start the sideways again and again. And by the time we go forward the opposition have faced up and mark our players for us to go forward towards their penalty are where time and time agian it ends up back with Jack. We need to go long more often and catch the other teams defence out.
 
It will be interesting to see what the approach is and whether the 'new' owners (if that actually happens) will mean an increase in budget.

I wouldn't be that bothered about trying to sign Barker. Which may sound a bit daft if you watch his highlights reel! Watch a complete match however and you'll see flashes of absolute brilliance followed by long periods of absolutely nothing. He can't and won't tackle, doesn't track back to defend and sometimes loses the ball because he is trying to do everything solo. Shodipo seems to have more about him more consistently - maybe not those absolute highs of Barker at his best, but he contributes more, scores goals and can tackle. Of the two that's the one I'd prefer we attempt to sign. Lee? Very unsure about him. Should he be playing more centrally?

Of the ones to go, Hall is an obvious one, Kelly equally obviously has already gone. Hanson and Winnall have time left on their contracts, which is a bit awkward - but if we can get rid I would. Mous is a tricky one - but he needs to be told that unless he can prove his fitness to a high level and has medical reports that are positive, he cannot be registered as a player next season. If that makes him go elsewhere, so be it.

Use the resources we have better. Agyei is the standout here - how he hasn't had more time on the pitch baffles me. I also hope we've had people watching Clare. If he is doing well in midfield, that is an area in which we need to strengthen. Why not use him?

Proper backups for those obvious positions we've all been banging on about for the best part of 18 months.

Completely agree regarding Agyei and Clare. They are both 'athletes', which, as I mentioned in my previous post, is something that the team is missing. They have both been played out of position this season. Agyei will score goals as a striker, he will cause defenders problems, and he will create more space for our more technical players in behind. Clare can run with the ball, he can stride past players - I think he will be a very good option on the right of a midfield three or even out wide on occasion.
 
We seem to be discussing average league one players (Forde, Lee, Agyei, etc). If we are serious about improving the squad enough to compete for promotion then we should be looking at at least 5/6 clear improvements. Two full backs, two strong mobile midfielders and a couple of speedy forwards. They need to be of the quality of Taylor, McGuane and Atkinson. Otherwise the best we can hope for is another near miss.....
 
That’s something I’ve been shouting at the tv and the games we’ve seen this season, but unfortunately we way to puss about passing it sideways back to Jack out to Long/Ruffles to start the sideways again and again. And by the time we go forward the opposition have faced up and mark our players for us to go forward towards their penalty are where time and time agian it ends up back with Jack. We need to go long more often and catch the other teams defence out.

We went long quite a lot against Blackpool and have at other times during the season.

We're shite at it.
 
We seem to be discussing average league one players (Forde, Lee, Agyei, etc). If we are serious about improving the squad enough to compete for promotion then we should be looking at at least 5/6 clear improvements. Two full backs, two strong mobile midfielders and a couple of speedy forwards. They need to be of the quality of Taylor, McGuane and Atkinson. Otherwise the best we can hope for is another near miss.....
I don’t think Agyei has proven to be an ‘average’ League One forward (yet) - Edit: By that I mean he’s shown glimpses of being a top one
 
We seem to be discussing average league one players (Forde, Lee, Agyei, etc). If we are serious about improving the squad enough to compete for promotion then we should be looking at at least 5/6 clear improvements. Two full backs, two strong mobile midfielders and a couple of speedy forwards. They need to be of the quality of Taylor, McGuane and Atkinson. Otherwise the best we can hope for is another near miss.....
Realistically we're not going to have a full squad of 'top' League One players. Also, Forde and Lee have both been promoted from this division previously (I'm not saying I want both to stay, necessarily).

I really do think Agyei has the potential to be a top League One forward. He has all of the physical tools, but probably still needs to be coached more so than Taylor. He's a bit unpredictable but that's sometimes a good thing for a striker.
 
Here is the last eight years of League One. This details where a team finished / how they were promoted and where they ranked (brackets) in terms of goals conceded:

13/14
1 Wolves (1st)
2 Brentford (2nd)
P/O Rotherham (9th)

14/15
1 Bristol City (1st)
2 MK Dons (3rd)
P/O Preston (2nd)

15/16
1 Wigan (3rd)
2 Burton (1st)
P/O Barnsley (8th)

16/17
1 Sheffield United (4th)
2 Bolton (1st)
P/O Millwall (11th)

17/18
1 Wigan (1st)
2 Blackburn (2nd)
P/O Rotherham (7th)

18/19
1 Luton (3rd)
2 Barnsley (1st)
P/O Charlton (2nd)

19/20*
1 Coventry (1st*)
2 Rotherham (8th*)
P/O Wycombe (10th*)

20/21
1 Hull (2nd)
2 Peterborough (4th)
P/O Blackpool (1st) or Lincoln (7th) or Sunderland (3rd)

19/20 with Rotherham is a complete anomaly because everybody only played three quarters of a season, so it was left to PPG to settle everything. It’s difficult to know who would have finished where, or where that would have ranked everybody defensively as a result, so I’ve marked it with an asterisk but have included it regardless.

Robinson’s lone promotion with MK came about with the third best defence in the division. Unless you have a top 5 defence, realistically top 3/4, you aren’t getting automatic promotion without the help of a global pandemic shutting down the season early. That’s just the facts - if you can’t defend you’ve already thrown in the towel on the top two before a ball has been kicked. The data is there; it isn’t an opinion.

Even our L2 promotion team was built on the best defence in the division, and that was despite having two actively awful keepers who kept dropping clangers. I don’t think anybody would call that team boring or conservative - being able to defend doesn’t mean being defensive. That justification is a cop out. It’s intentionally misleading. If anything a solid back line gives you more ability to be attacking and score even more goals, because it lets the team push up further and assume a more aggressive starting point. Sorting the defence can be one of the most attacking things you can do.

We need more than five defenders including only two full backs, which results in midfielders drawing straws to see who has to go and fill in when someone has to miss a few games. Otherwise the playoffs is the best we will ever achieve, at which point we need to be able to post good numbers against the top 7/8 sides all season long. We also have a manager who has now lost all four of his playoff campaigns. Not digging him out - I’m saying it all has to go into the pot when you consider what you’re doing and why. It’s relevant. You need to be able to find something in your squad, be it on the pitch or in the dugout, that justifies the approach. You need to be able to point to something and go, “That’s why this is approach is sensible and might work.” You have to justify your decisions.

If you don’t want to defend or invest properly in the players whose job it is to do it, top two is gone. If you can’t beat the best sides and don’t have any experience in what it takes to win a playoff from the manager, you’re extremely unlikely to navigate your way through those three games successfully, so the playoffs become pretty much a write-off as well as the automatics. What’s the plan at that point? What’s the goal? What are we here for besides glorious defeat at best if we take both the automatics and playoffs off the table? What’s it for?

People can get as huffy as they like about it - I’m arguing for success based on facts and evidence. Anybody arguing the other way is arguing for failure. Which one of us is a TRUE fan in that scenario?

We need to raise the standard as well as add a bit of depth at the back. Even conceding 5 goals less in a season can net you 10 extra points. Fingers crossed we don’t get distracted by wingers and attacking midfielders. We need those too, obviously, but a bit of balance wouldn’t go amiss.

Let’s see what the squad looks like by August. Lots of time.
This should be recommended reading for all on here before posting.

Yes, I happen to agree with the comments but even if one didn't, it would still be worth reading to get a sense of perspective.
 
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Here is the last eight years of League One. This details where a team finished / how they were promoted and where they ranked (brackets) in terms of goals conceded:

13/14
1 Wolves (1st)
2 Brentford (2nd)
P/O Rotherham (9th)

14/15
1 Bristol City (1st)
2 MK Dons (3rd)
P/O Preston (2nd)

15/16
1 Wigan (3rd)
2 Burton (1st)
P/O Barnsley (8th)

16/17
1 Sheffield United (4th)
2 Bolton (1st)
P/O Millwall (11th)

17/18
1 Wigan (1st)
2 Blackburn (2nd)
P/O Rotherham (7th)

18/19
1 Luton (3rd)
2 Barnsley (1st)
P/O Charlton (2nd)

19/20*
1 Coventry (1st*)
2 Rotherham (8th*)
P/O Wycombe (10th*)

20/21
1 Hull (2nd)
2 Peterborough (4th)
P/O Blackpool (1st) or Lincoln (7th) or Sunderland (3rd)

19/20 with Rotherham is a complete anomaly because everybody only played three quarters of a season, so it was left to PPG to settle everything. It’s difficult to know who would have finished where, or where that would have ranked everybody defensively as a result, so I’ve marked it with an asterisk but have included it regardless.

Robinson’s lone promotion with MK came about with the third best defence in the division. Unless you have a top 5 defence, realistically top 3/4, you aren’t getting automatic promotion without the help of a global pandemic shutting down the season early. That’s just the facts - if you can’t defend you’ve already thrown in the towel on the top two before a ball has been kicked. The data is there; it isn’t an opinion.

Even our L2 promotion team was built on the best defence in the division, and that was despite having two actively awful keepers who kept dropping clangers. I don’t think anybody would call that team boring or conservative - being able to defend doesn’t mean being defensive. That justification is a cop out. It’s intentionally misleading. If anything a solid back line gives you more ability to be attacking and score even more goals, because it lets the team push up further and assume a more aggressive starting point. Sorting the defence can be one of the most attacking things you can do.

We need more than five defenders including only two full backs, which results in midfielders drawing straws to see who has to go and fill in when someone has to miss a few games. Otherwise the playoffs is the best we will ever achieve, at which point we need to be able to post good numbers against the top 7/8 sides all season long. We also have a manager who has now lost all four of his playoff campaigns. Not digging him out - I’m saying it all has to go into the pot when you consider what you’re doing and why. It’s relevant. You need to be able to find something in your squad, be it on the pitch or in the dugout, that justifies the approach. You need to be able to point to something and go, “That’s why this is approach is sensible and might work.” You have to justify your decisions.

If you don’t want to defend or invest properly in the players whose job it is to do it, top two is gone. If you can’t beat the best sides and don’t have any experience in what it takes to win a playoff from the manager, you’re extremely unlikely to navigate your way through those three games successfully, so the playoffs become pretty much a write-off as well as the automatics. What’s the plan at that point? What’s the goal? What are we here for besides glorious defeat at best if we take both the automatics and playoffs off the table? What’s it for?

People can get as huffy as they like about it - I’m arguing for success based on facts and evidence. Anybody arguing the other way is arguing for failure. Which one of us is a TRUE fan in that scenario?

We need to raise the standard as well as add a bit of depth at the back. Even conceding 5 goals less in a season can net you 10 extra points. Fingers crossed we don’t get distracted by wingers and attacking midfielders. We need those too, obviously, but a bit of balance wouldn’t go amiss.

Let’s see what the squad looks like by August. Lots of time.
You’re right about needing more depth in defence but we need to be a bit tougher and more regimented in midfield as well. You wouldn’t see Blackpool giving the ball away in midfield the way we do in some games, which then puts the defence under unexpected pressure. Sam Long is important for the way we play though and we inevitably missed him in the playoffs- even the best backup wouldn’t have quite the understanding he’s developed with our right sided players.
 
I wonder if we’re thinking too hard about the midfield based on those two playoff games - McGuane and Gorrin simply do not get physically dominated like Sykes and Henry. I don’t mean that as a slight on either of those players either, it’s just horses for courses. They’ve all got roles to play. Midfield-wise, I think we’re sorted and particularly if Clare does come back. Brannagan, McGuane, Gorrin, Henry, Sykes, Clare is plenty.

We should still be adding the athleticism though. If Ruffels goes there’s an opportunity there, someone mentioned Bell from Blackburn the other day who’d be ideal. A Browne type would be great if possible
 
I think we also need someone, somewhere in defence or defensive midfield, who is an organiser and a shouter. The team seems a bit quiet and sometime a bit at sixes and sevens.
 
Chris Maguire is out of contract at Sunderland now. Decent on set pieces too and an experienced head.
Great player but part player now?? I’m sure we are in for a winger or 3, just hope they can cover full back😎
 
I think we also need someone, somewhere in defence or defensive midfield, who is an organiser and a shouter. The team seems a bit quiet and sometime a bit at sixes and sevens.
Think your right I would cash in on cam b and bring in a DM
 
Chris Maguire is out of contract at Sunderland now. Decent on set pieces too and an experienced head.
I'd quite like a Roy Keane type player, to add serious bite and combative aggression in midfield, who could help share the load with Gorrin, who will inevitably pick up more than his fair share of bookings
 
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