General New Stadium Plans - The Triangle - Land Deal

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

Driving to Kassam takes about 30mins on a Saturday. Via public transport would take about 1.30-1.40hrs.

To drive to location of the triangle would take me anywhere between 20-25mins. Public transport to the same spot would currently take me 50mins.

That is why I drive to the Kassam as the transport links are so sloooow but the new stadium will be much improved.
45 mins on public transport for the new ground is acceptable I'd say

 

[OUFCwaffle]

I suppose that depends on how you define 'perfect'...

It would be very perfect if people who are addicted to driving everywhere get out of their cars to reduce carbon omissions and increase public transport usage.

Unless you're disabled or elderly then there's no real good excuse for not using public transport if it is there and easily accessible. Park and rides are cheap and reliable.

 

[OxShireWest]

I am struggling to see why you are creating an issue over getting to the Triangle. We live in Stanford in the Vale, not much more than one bus an hour to Faringdon and change for a connection to Oxford. We are planning on driving, as we do now, to games. The difference will be that we will be able to drive straight to the Water Eaton park & ride and either, walk to the ground or get the shuttle that will be running between the two. We will arrive earlier and enjoy the bars, restaurants etc located around the ground. On days when the weather is favourable, we will take something to eat with us and enjoy the green plaza (as indicated on the artists impressions) On leaving, we expect departure from the park & ride to be relatively simple as the exit will be traffic controlled and planned to facilitate easy movement. There will be far less people using their vehicles as there are trains, buses, cycle paths etc all making life easier. We have even deliberated about using one of the other park & ride sites and going into town before or after the game. Rather shamefully, I must admit that we have only recently used the park & ride system to go into town. It was a pleasant surprise to find the parking easy, very cheap and the bus service frequent and clean.

From your area, West Oxfordshire, I would expect that the, soon to be built, park & ride off the A40 would be perfect, if you did not wish to go all the way to Water Eaton. Buses run between all the sites and I would not be surprised to see the club organising it's own shuttle service to accommodate.

But none of that is as convenient as just driving straight to the ground, which is the point. If you believe park and rides won't be packed on match days then you're being unrealistic - they will be. Subsequently, you will have thousands of fans all attempting to get on the same buses to a handful of P&R's. Will the bus companies/P&R's put enough buses on to cope with this? Plus, what about other people using the P&R's for other non-football related purposes? That aside, this will likely lead to long queues at bus stops, overcrowded buses, jostling to get on etc. You then have the issue of all these fans attempting to leave the P&R's, which will also inevitably cause queues within the P&R's and lots of traffic in the surrounding areas.

First and foremost, this seems like a rather unpleasant way to get to and from games. Secondly, how is this much different to the situation currently at the Kassam?

I think people are looking at the plans with yellow tinted glasses. I can see the idea behind the plans but people are being naive as to how they will actually translate into real life. It's a genuine concern that I've heard a few people raise.

Only time will tell, though.

 

[OxShireWest]

Welcome to the forum Charles

Eh?

 

[sideshowrob]

Wouln't it be great some of these new suttle buses were painted with OUFC colours and logos like the ones we had in the 80s?

 

[Scotchegg]

coming from north wales I would get the train down since it’s right by the stadium. I also stay down a fair few times so would make use of the hotel at the ground with it easier to go into the city centre on the train than it is now if I stay by the Kassam. If driving down then I would use pear tree park and ride and will no doubt be quicker to get back on the M40 than it is at the moment which can take up to 40 minutes to an hour to get onto the M40 after attending a game at the Kassam.

You could also use the park and ride at Bicester. 5 minutes off M40 junction and 9 minute bus journey to the stadium!

Pretty much every route, with the exception of those walking to games off the estate, will be better with the new location.

 

[OxShireWest]

However, these cars would be split between two park and ride car parks so spreading the volume of traffic to a certain degree. The one road fir all cars in/out of the Kassam is part of the current traffic problem.

Agreed, but you're still going to have a very similar problem. P&R's aren't designed to have everyone arrive and leave at the same time - nor is the road network/infrastructure around it.

 

[SupporttheTriangle]

A lot of faffing when you can just drive straight to the stadium!

You are coming over as a Friend Of Stratfield Brake. Your negativity is certainly at the forefront of your posts.

 

[Oslernorth]

But none of that is as convenient as just driving straight to the ground, which is the point. If you believe park and rides won't be packed on match days then you're being unrealistic - they will be. Subsequently, you will have thousands of fans all attempting to get on the same buses to a handful of P&R's. Will the bus companies/P&R's put enough buses on to cope with this? Plus, what about other people using the P&R's for other non-football related purposes? That aside, this will likely lead to long queues at bus stops, overcrowded buses, jostling to get on etc. You then have the issue of all these fans attempting to leave the P&R's, which will also inevitably cause queues within the P&R's and lots of traffic in the surrounding areas.

First and foremost, this seems like a rather unpleasant way to get to and from games. Secondly, how is this much different to the situation currently at the Kassam?

I think people are looking at the plans with yellow tinted glasses. I can see the idea behind the plans but people are being naive as to how they will actually translate into real life. It's a genuine concern that I've heard a few people raise.

Only time will tell, though.

If you must avoid buses and trains, you could just drive straight to the Water Eaton park and ride and walk. The stadium will be 2 minutes away on the other side of the road. There’s even talk of a bridge connecting the two.

You will also be able to exit the park and ride much much faster than you ever could at the Kassam stadium! This will dramatically reduce you travel time.

But myself and many others won’t need to drive to a home game ever again. So that will also make the journey for yourself and others who still need to use a car, a great deal easier.

 

[Scotchegg]

But none of that is as convenient as just driving straight to the ground, which is the point. If you believe park and rides won't be packed on match days then you're being unrealistic - they will be. Subsequently, you will have thousands of fans all attempting to get on the same buses to a handful of P&R's. Will the bus companies/P&R's put enough buses on to cope with this? Plus, what about other people using the P&R's for other non-football related purposes? That aside, this will likely lead to long queues at bus stops, overcrowded buses, jostling to get on etc. You then have the issue of all these fans attempting to leave the P&R's, which will also inevitably cause queues within the P&R's and lots of traffic in the surrounding areas.

First and foremost, this seems like a rather unpleasant way to get to and from games. Secondly, how is this much different to the situation currently at the Kassam?

I think people are looking at the plans with yellow tinted glasses. I can see the idea behind the plans but people are being naive as to how they will actually translate into real life. It's a genuine concern that I've heard a few people raise.

Only time will tell, though.

It's an exceptionally negative way to look at things. There are numerous examples of much larger crowds than this being managed in and out of stadiums/events with none of the issues you suggest.

Of course there will be those that expect to be able to drive from their home to the stadium at a time of their choosing and to leave with absolutely no hesitation, but how does that happen now? The worst case scenario you paint of leaving park and rides is still better than we have now, so I'm struggling to see the issue.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Agreed, but you're still going to have a very similar problem. P&R's aren't designed to have everyone arrive and leave at the same time - nor is the road network/infrastructure around it.

So what's your plan? You will recognize that there won't be an actual car park and that car use will be discouraged.

 

[Scotchegg]

Is Tackley in West Oxfordshire? Asking for a friend!!

 

[SteMerritt]

But none of that is as convenient as just driving straight to the ground, which is the point. If you believe park and rides won't be packed on match days then you're being unrealistic - they will be. Subsequently, you will have thousands of fans all attempting to get on the same buses to a handful of P&R's. Will the bus companies/P&R's put enough buses on to cope with this? Plus, what about other people using the P&R's for other non-football related purposes? That aside, this will likely lead to long queues at bus stops, overcrowded buses, jostling to get on etc. You then have the issue of all these fans attempting to leave the P&R's, which will also inevitably cause queues within the P&R's and lots of traffic in the surrounding areas.

First and foremost, this seems like a rather unpleasant way to get to and from games. Secondly, how is this much different to the situation currently at the Kassam?

I think people are looking at the plans with yellow tinted glasses. I can see the idea behind the plans but people are being naive as to how they will actually translate into real life. It's a genuine concern that I've heard a few people raise.

Only time will tell, though.

It is staggering to me that you are seemingly determined to look at the worst-case scenario for this, when the location of a train station right next to a stadium will clearly be of benefit to a large number of supporters, as indicated in consultations so far.

The club often do surveys where they find out where fans are located, a lot of these will be in the Thame / Bicester / Banbury area for instance, and a large number of these fans will jump at the chance to use the train system. This is just one area of the county which will be massively benefited by the move. Of course there will be some for whom public transport won't work effectively, in these cases other solutions can be looked at.

 

[Manorlounger]

But none of that is as convenient as just driving straight to the ground, which is the point. If you believe park and rides won't be packed on match days then you're being unrealistic - they will be. Subsequently, you will have thousands of fans all attempting to get on the same buses to a handful of P&R's. Will the bus companies/P&R's put enough buses on to cope with this? Plus, what about other people using the P&R's for other non-football related purposes? That aside, this will likely lead to long queues at bus stops, overcrowded buses, jostling to get on etc. You then have the issue of all these fans attempting to leave the P&R's, which will also inevitably cause queues within the P&R's and lots of traffic in the surrounding areas.

First and foremost, this seems like a rather unpleasant way to get to and from games. Secondly, how is this much different to the situation currently at the Kassam?

I think people are looking at the plans with yellow tinted glasses. I can see the idea behind the plans but people are being naive as to how they will actually translate into real life. It's a genuine concern that I've heard a few people raise.

Only time will tell, though.

It is becoming more than apparent that you are really not interested in any kind of sensible conversation on this matter. I have to assume that you are not actually a real fan. If the objective of your interaction on here is to ferment some kind of discord then, it has to be said, you will fail.

Your ignoring of any and all sensible suggestions to assist with your travelling to the Triangle location are illogical. There will be NO parking at the stadium. You will not be able to drive into the Triangle (unless dropping off less able bodied passengers) The park & rides will cope more than comfortably with the number of vehicles requiring parking. Far fewer fans will travel by car.

Vastly improved public transport connections will afford far greater numbers the convenience of leaving their vehicle at home. (or, as in our case, at one of the many park & ride locations around the city)

Your gambit of asking about an exit from the A34 for away supporters coaches was, initially, regarded as pertinent but, as you may have noted, dismissed by those with simple explanations. The Redbridge park & ride, as an example, has space allocated to coaches for visitors to the city. It does not take a great stretch of imagination to come up with a similar solution at Water Eaton. More likely is that many away supporters will choose to use the ideal location of Oxford Parkway rail station and travel by train. Links to the rest of the country exist already or in advanced planning stages.

 

[Malc]

If I remember correctly the park and rides have traffic lights, unlike the breeze block.
Also the buses have their own exit, seperate from the cars, and have priority.

You come across as a selfish nimby. @OxShireWest

 

[Sarge]

Agreed, but you're still going to have a very similar problem. P&R's aren't designed to have everyone arrive and leave at the same time - nor is the road network/infrastructure around it.

keep fit and healthy and cycle to the triangle

 

[Oxford57]

It’s interesting how times and peoples perceptions change, I grew up on northway estate, and walked to the manor, moved to risinghurst , still walked, when kassam opened drove , as no direct bus service , the old no2 bus service would have worked, as I am struggling with walking driving would be the best option unless there is a sensible way using public transport, any train stations being built in all the new Barton developments?!!!!

 

[yellowbow]

But none of that is as convenient as just driving straight to the ground, which is the point. If you believe park and rides won't be packed on match days then you're being unrealistic - they will be. Subsequently, you will have thousands of fans all attempting to get on the same buses to a handful of P&R's. Will the bus companies/P&R's put enough buses on to cope with this? Plus, what about other people using the P&R's for other non-football related purposes? That aside, this will likely lead to long queues at bus stops, overcrowded buses, jostling to get on etc. You then have the issue of all these fans attempting to leave the P&R's, which will also inevitably cause queues within the P&R's and lots of traffic in the surrounding areas.

First and foremost, this seems like a rather unpleasant way to get to and from games. Secondly, how is this much different to the situation currently at the Kassam?

I think people are looking at the plans with yellow tinted glasses. I can see the idea behind the plans but people are being naive as to how they will actually translate into real life. It's a genuine concern that I've heard a few people raise.

Only time will tell, though.

Secret agent of FoSB alert!

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

And where will you park? Do you accept that there will be no parking at the stadium?

In the 2000 spaces 500 metres away? Or Peartree a 5 min shuttle bus away?

 

[Manorlounger]

In the 2000 spaces 500 metres away? Or Peartree a 5 min shuttle bus away?

Oh dear, how inconvenient!