General New Stadium Plans - The Triangle - Land Deal

[OxShireWest]

Not sure why my comments on here have riled so many up.

I respect everyone's opinions on the new stadium plans and their preference of travel to attend games, but obviously this differs person to person.

I've merely indicated my thoughts and experiences on my journey/travel to the current stadium (Kassam), and the potential consequences the new stadium and it's plans may have on my matchday travel & experience. My reality and preferences may be different to yours, or less positive than yours, but why does that mean I shouldn't express them? Surely the discussion around the less positive side to football, stadiums etc is part of the reason forums like this exist? Shouldn't everyone who has a different or less positive opinion on a matter be free to express said opinion without accusations of being 'selfish', 'a pain', or a 'negative' person?

I want the new stadium to go ahead, but I also do have concerns. I see no benefit of focusing solely on the 'good' and just pretending there are no potential flaws or issues. Doing so only plays into the hands of groups like FoSB and those adamantly opposed to the plans - it makes us, as a fanbase, look like we're viewing it all through our yellow tinted glasses which as we all know will be a stick FoSB will bash us with to the ends of the earth if they can.

Anyway, let's hope whatever the outcome it's for the benefit of the club, the fanbase, and local communities.

UTO

 

[DSM]

I believe there is, its called a database, which the ticket office and marketing dept have, you should know that being a ST holder. Maybe try asking the Club directly?

Don't forget though, the club have to and will follow rules on GDPR, otherwise they could get into serious trouble..

 

[holdsteady]

With the park and rides next door is the parking that much reduced? With far more using public transport I can’t see people being short of a space.

 

[Charles]

Best and cheapest way ,drive to the park and ride walk to the stadium !

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

Not sure why my comments on here have riled so many up.

I respect everyone's opinions on the new stadium plans and their preference of travel to attend games, but obviously this differs person to person.

I've merely indicated my thoughts and experiences on my journey/travel to the current stadium (Kassam), and the potential consequences the new stadium and it's plans may have on my matchday travel & experience. My reality and preferences may be different to yours, or less positive than yours, but why does that mean I shouldn't express them? Surely the discussion around the less positive side to football, stadiums etc is part of the reason forums like this exist? Shouldn't everyone who has a different or less positive opinion on a matter be free to express said opinion without accusations of being 'selfish', 'a pain', or a 'negative' person?

I want the new stadium to go ahead, but I also do have concerns. I see no benefit of focusing solely on the 'good' and just pretending there are no potential flaws or issues. Doing so only plays into the hands of groups like FoSB and those adamantly opposed to the plans - it makes us, as a fanbase, look like we're viewing it all through our yellow tinted glasses which as we all know will be a stick FoSB will bash us with to the ends of the earth if they can.

Anyway, let's hope whatever the outcome it's for the benefit of the club, the fanbase, and local communities.

UTO

Strangest posts on here, I really can't fathom out what you are trying to achieve.
Bizarre to complain about not being able to do your little journey when it in all likelihood will take around the same time for you give or take 10 mins but be a massive improvement for the majority of fans, offer greener travel options and mean we might actually have a football club !
Have you never parked in the overflow or take the bus from town ?

 

[Frankie]

On Match days and if demand warrants, buses could also travel to the stadium from Redbridge, Seacourt and Thornhill P&R's.

OUFC could work with OCC to provide a chargeable match-day P&R pass option to be included with match tickets or season tickets. That would mean 6 (including Eynsham) P&R's in action to alleviate traffic around the stadium on match days.

 

[OxShireWest]

Strangest posts on here, I really can't fathom out what you are trying to achieve.
Bizarre to complain about not being able to do your little journey when it in all likelihood will take around the same time for you give or take 10 mins but be a massive improvement for the majority of fans, offer greener travel options and mean we might actually have a football club !
Have you never parked in the overflow or take the bus from town ?

But I'm telling you it won't take the same amount of time...

I also genuinely don't believe most people care how 'green' their travel is - most just want to get where they're going as quickly, conveniently, and comfortably as possible.

88% of all kms travelled in 2022 were made by cars, vans and taxis.

 

[SiHath]

Not sure why my comments on here have riled so many up.

I respect everyone's opinions on the new stadium plans and their preference of travel to attend games, but obviously this differs person to person.

I've merely indicated my thoughts and experiences on my journey/travel to the current stadium (Kassam), and the potential consequences the new stadium and it's plans may have on my matchday travel & experience. My reality and preferences may be different to yours, or less positive than yours, but why does that mean I shouldn't express them? Surely the discussion around the less positive side to football, stadiums etc is part of the reason forums like this exist? Shouldn't everyone who has a different or less positive opinion on a matter be free to express said opinion without accusations of being 'selfish', 'a pain', or a 'negative' person?

I want the new stadium to go ahead, but I also do have concerns. I see no benefit of focusing solely on the 'good' and just pretending there are no potential flaws or issues. Doing so only plays into the hands of groups like FoSB and those adamantly opposed to the plans - it makes us, as a fanbase, look like we're viewing it all through our yellow tinted glasses which as we all know will be a stick FoSB will bash us with to the ends of the earth if they can.

Anyway, let's hope whatever the outcome it's for the benefit of the club, the fanbase, and local communities.

UTO

I've not posted for a long time, but your posts prompted me to reply.

From what I gather, you drive to the Kassam. Park close to the exit and leave without too much bother. There's nothing to stop you doing that at the Triangle, parking a short walk away at the Oxford Parkway Park and Ride (or Pear Tree if you fancy a stretch of the legs and a slightly longer walk).

If you can get to and from the Kassam without too much trouble, then the P&R wide be a similarly easy experience for you. Although you appear to be saying that the P&R's would be chaotic trying to leave them. My opionion would be that for the vast majority, the various P&Rs would be a lot easier to exit than the Kassam is.

Of coure the location of the Triangle close to a train station would mean that those within a short journey of a train station in and around the county would find it very easy to reach by public transport. Not suitable for everyone, but much more suitable than the Kassam for far more people.

Ease, Convenience and Comfort were mentioned by you.

Bus/lift/drive to local train station. Train to Ox Parkway. Walk to stadium. (We'll be the second closest stadium (in the 92) to a train/tram/tube station, currently the second furthest). Easy and Convenient. Avoids the stress of wondering if you'll get a parking space, or be stuck getting out.

Comfort. Well depends on if you get a seat. But for night games, the train will be toasty warm as soon as you get on, rather than waiting for the car to warm up. And if you need the loo after the game (as those of us of a certain age might) then it's easier than if you're stuck in the car.

I think you'll find that going to the Triangle, if you do decide to drive, will be a very similar experince to the Kassam (good or bad).

I'm looking forward to changing my routine. 5 minutes to Haddenham and Thame Parkway. Lovely coffee from Little Italy coffee shop at the station (maybe a Danish pastry if I fancy a treat). Hop on the train to Ox Parkway. Short walk to the stadium.

I'm not sure you've "riled people up", more people have replied to you saying that you appear to be saying getting to the Kassam is easier than it will be to the Triangle and they disagree, highlighting lots of positives for the Triangle - unless I've misunderstood?

I think that for the majority it'll be easier.

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

But I'm telling you it won't take the same amount of time...

I also genuinely don't believe most people care how 'green' their travel is - most just want to get where they're going as quickly, conveniently, and comfortably as possible.

88% of all kms travelled in 2022 were made by cars, vans and taxis.

Gutted for you , genuinely something that promises to revolutionise our club as well as keeping it going is a tad inconvenient to you ...how awful.
I will reduce my milage by over 1,000 miles per year when we move .
I drive now as so inconvenient, that's what makes this such a great site for a Stadium.

 

[werthersoriginal]

But I'm telling you it won't take the same amount of time...

I also genuinely don't believe most people care how 'green' their travel is - most just want to get where they're going as quickly, conveniently, and comfortably as possible.

88% of all kms travelled in 2022 were made by cars, vans and taxis.

I think you're going to struggle a bit going forward - it's clear that car use and parking will be increasingly restricted in future. But especially in the case of a proposed new facility that will attract large crowds, there's no chance it will get permission without the owners demonstrating that they've got a strategy for handling and minimizing traffic. But you already knew that.

 

[OxShireWest]

I've not posted for a long time, but your posts prompted me to reply.

From what I gather, you drive to the Kassam. Park close to the exit and leave without too much bother. There's nothing to stop you doing that at the Triangle, parking a short walk away at the Oxford Parkway Park and Ride (or Pear Tree if you fancy a stretch of the legs and a slightly longer walk).

If you can get to and from the Kassam without too much trouble, then the P&R wide be a similarly easy experience for you. Although you appear to be saying that the P&R's would be chaotic trying to leave them. My opionion would be that for the vast majority, the various P&Rs would be a lot easier to exit than the Kassam is.

Of coure the location of the Triangle close to a train station would mean that those within a short journey of a train station in and around the county would find it very easy to reach by public transport. Not suitable for everyone, but much more suitable than the Kassam for far more people.

Ease, Convenience and Comfort were mentioned by you.

Bus/lift/drive to local train station. Train to Ox Parkway. Walk to stadium. (We'll be the second closest stadium (in the 92) to a train/tram/tube station, currently the second furthest). Easy and Convenient. Avoids the stress of wondering if you'll get a parking space, or be stuck getting out.

Comfort. Well depends on if you get a seat. But for night games, the train will be toasty warm as soon as you get on, rather than waiting for the car to warm up. And if you need the loo after the game (as those of us of a certain age might) then it's easier than if you're stuck in the car.

I think you'll find that going to the Triangle, if you do decide to drive, will be a very similar experince to the Kassam (good or bad).

I'm looking forward to changing my routine. 5 minutes to Haddenham and Thame Parkway. Lovely coffee from Little Italy coffee shop at the station (maybe a Danish pastry if I fancy a treat). Hop on the train to Ox Parkway. Short walk to the stadium.

I'm not sure you've "riled people up", more people have replied to you saying that you appear to be saying getting to the Kassam is easier than it will be to the Triangle and they disagree, highlighting lots of positives for the Triangle - unless I've misunderstood?

I think that for the majority it'll be easier.

Parkway only has 758 spaces. I've never used it but apparently on a Saturday it's relatively busy already, so only a portion of those spaces will even be available for fans. May not be a problem directly for me as I get there early, but knowing this and with the improved facilities around the ground, will other people start doing the same?

Unfortunately, as much as people can try to pretend, public transport will simply never be as convenient or comfortable as driving. First issue obviously being you're set by pre-determined schedules - when you leave/come back is not really up to you. Comfort should be quite self-explanatory (last time I was on a bus I had someone behind me coughing their guts up, the woman to my right playing a game on her phone with it full volume, and a kid throwing a tantrum with it's mum screaming at it downstairs...fun....)

I've done most away games for a few years now and have driven to all but 2. Other people have got the bus, train etc to them with no issues, and this is my exact point...

It's about choice. The new stadium could essentially come down to, unless you get there *very* early, you have no choice but to get the bus and train. That could potentially put a lot of 'casual' fans off.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Given that the current stadium has a huge amount of (free) on site parking relative to many football stadia, I can't see a situation where *any* new stadium in Oxford would have anything like the same amount.

Having a park and ride within walking distance is absolutely fine for those of us that will have to drive ~(and that includes me) - and if the trains and busses take up some of the strain, then the number of people driving will be reduced anyway. In fact, I currently try to get the the stadium well before 2pm (nearer 1.30) so I can park in the East Stand car park and get out quickly after the game. If I can get to a park and ride by 2.30 and walk to the stadium, that's the best part of an hour saved for me - and as long as the parking is marshalled and organised, it should take too long to get back on my way home either. The success of this will IMO depend on the number of car parking spaces in the park and rides(s), and as mentioned, how well it is organised. There may also be a cost implication if we are paying to park.

 

[SteMerritt]

Parkway only has 758 spaces. I've never used it but apparently on a Saturday it's relatively busy already, so only a portion of those spaces will even be available for fans.

That's not correct, don't know where you have heard that. The figures are published and if you care to look back through this thread (it's only 437 pages ) you'll see plenty of evidence that it is normally only around 20% used on Saturdays.

 

[werthersoriginal]

That's not correct, don't know where you have heard that. The figures are published and if you care to look back through this thread (it's only 437 pages ) you'll see plenty of evidence that it is normally only around 20% used on Saturdays.

Hmm, maybe we should stop feeding the troll from the west of Oxfordshire ...

 

[Oslernorth]

(We'll be the second closest stadium (in the 92) to a train/tram/tube station, currently the second furthest)

This is a fantastic stat

Is the closest Coventry? Although they sadly close the station on match days, so might not count.

 

[Charles]

I absolutely love how you Guys are planning your route to the Triangle along with advising others . A lot will change in 3 years time when hopefully we will have a new Stadium . To early to call but there must be plans afoot for the future ! All I hope its a nice lounge to relax in with a Drink , pkt Crisps and a pickled Egg !

 

[Ovaltoyou]

The Park and Rides around the City may have to be increased to cater for more cars, for example Bristol for Sport at Ashton Gate, I have used the Brislington Park and Ride its huge and free to park and a free bus to the ground. Is there new bus lanes and park and ride facilities along A44 and Pear Tree, as well as the Eynsham Park and Ride.

 

[SiHath]

Parkway only has 758 spaces. I've never used it but apparently on a Saturday it's relatively busy already, so only a portion of those spaces will even be available for fans. May not be a problem directly for me as I get there early, but knowing this and with the improved facilities around the ground, will other people start doing the same?

As someone has already corrected your numbers this point is not especially strong. There are many people using the Kassam car parks for the cinema, bowling, laser quest etc etc. The car park isn't solely football fans. There are 2 P&Rs within walking distance, and others that could be used for P&R to the stadium.

Unfortunately, as much as people can try to pretend, public transport will simply never be as convenient or comfortable as driving. First issue obviously being you're set by pre-determined schedules - when you leave/come back is not really up to you. Comfort should be quite self-explanatory (last time I was on a bus I had someone behind me coughing their guts up, the woman to my right playing a game on her phone with it full volume, and a kid throwing a tantrum with it's mum screaming at it downstairs...fun....)

As I've mentioned in my previous post, Ease and Convenience can mean different things to diffreent people. For you it appears to be purely about being able to use your car. For others (myself) ease and convenience would be a similar journey time, but without the worry of where to park, and leaving someone else to drive (train or bus) while I have a coffee, or a beer.

I've done most away games for a few years now and have driven to all but 2. Other people have got the bus, train etc to them with no issues, and this is my exact point...

Ove the last few years we've played numerous London clubs. I think I've probably taken public transport to all but 2 (in direct contrast to you). For other away games, it's been a mixture of trains, mini buses, car full or travelling on my own.

It's about choice. The new stadium could essentially come down to, unless you get there *very* early, you have no choice but to get the bus and train. That could potentially put a lot of 'casual' fans off.

That choice is still there for everyone. But as I, and many others have pointed out, your determination to use the car isn't matched by those that have replied. Nor is it reflected in the people I go to games with. The vast majority are looking forward to ditching the car and letting the train take the strain.

Thos casual fans you talk about. Maybe they've been waiting for a stadium close to great public transport links so they don't have to drive. That could encourage a lot of "casual" fans to attend.

I get the feeling from your comments, you don't really like the general public. All that coughing, playing games on their phones, screaming etc. I can hear your tutting from here!

Perhaps it is best if you continue to drive, and leave the rest of us to the bus and train.

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

Parkway only has 758 spaces. I've never used it but apparently on a Saturday it's relatively busy already, so only a portion of those spaces will even be available for fans. May not be a problem directly for me as I get there early, but knowing this and with the improved facilities around the ground, will other people start doing the same?

Unfortunately, as much as people can try to pretend, public transport will simply never be as convenient or comfortable as driving. First issue obviously being you're set by pre-determined schedules - when you leave/come back is not really up to you. Comfort should be quite self-explanatory (last time I was on a bus I had someone behind me coughing their guts up, the woman to my right playing a game on her phone with it full volume, and a kid throwing a tantrum with it's mum screaming at it downstairs...fun....)

I've done most away games for a few years now and have driven to all but 2. Other people have got the bus, train etc to them with no issues, and this is my exact point...

It's about choice. The new stadium could essentially come down to, unless you get there *very* early, you have no choice but to get the bus and train. That could potentially put a lot of 'casual' fans off.

How about the 830 spaces at Oxford Parkway Railway Station which is in addition to the 758 you already quote.
That starts to add up for the must drives I'd say .

 

[holdsteady]

Gutted for you , genuinely something that promises to revolutionise our club as well as keeping it going is a tad inconvenient to you ...how awful.
I will reduce my milage by over 1,000 miles per year when we move .
I drive now as so inconvenient, that's what makes this such a great site for a Stadium.

It will take about 2,300 miles a year of my car journeys so I won’t need to change car as frequently, add in petrol and wear and tear and I will get more back than the money I spend on the train.