General Cashless Ticket Office

[Sarge]

If the computer systems go down you won't be able to pay by cash as the club will not be able to function, the whole admin side will be run off it. I think when the systems have gone down before they just shut the ticket office and club shop down in the past, was a week day.

Still don't get what's so great about having the option to pay by cash? Take away the IT systems breakdown, what difference does it make to you, now that you know that you have to take your debit card with you, that you can't pay in cash?

freedom of choice, .... which is something I like to have.

renewing my ST this year ( in person at the Ticket office) Cash was fine- albeit was before cashless was imposed

Sterling is (still) the currency of Britain , if I choose to use cash to pay for transactions, I am ( well, I should be) entitled to do so. Cash is legal tender

Card only/ cashless outlets tend not to get my business out of choice ( there are exceptions, though I don't like them)


!'ll likely pop in the'bird for a beer if Im going to the ticket office.... CASH only in the 'bird '

incidentally the turnstiles at CPF for yesterdays OUWFC match accepted cash, as did the bar in CPF clubhouse


I personally like to have the choice of using cash if I want to

any thoughts regarding programme sellers at the Breeze Block being CASH only?
seems if I want to buy a matchday programme at home games I WILL have to take cash with me as well as a debit card

 

[East Stand Fan]

If worst came to the worst and there was an IT fault then cash would have to be accepted. It should be accepted now as it’s perfectly legal tender and I think the club adopting this policy would not stand up well from a legal standpoint if it was pushed through a litigation process. Some shops have this in place in major cities but they get away with it because they either offer cash alternatives in other local branches or there are other comparable businesses that the customer can choose which offer the same goods. These store are also hiding behind the ‘trial’ label to stave off any legality issues.

From a principle perspective, I am still in favour of cash being offered as a payment method but I understand the difficulties the club must have with the banking process. Collections cost money and are diminishing in availability, plus it’s not like there’s a local branch where you could deposit £tensofthousands by hand now.

When the club make significant changes like this, they should let the fans know and the justifications behind it.

 

[Sarge]

If worst came to the worst and there was an IT fault then cash would have to be accepted. It should be accepted now as it’s perfectly legal tender and I think the club adopting this policy would not stand up well from a legal standpoint if it was pushed through a litigation process. Some shops have this in place in major cities but they get away with it because they either offer cash alternatives in other local branches or there are other comparable businesses that the customer can choose which offer the same goods. These store are also hiding behind the ‘trial’ label to stave off any legality issues.

From a principle perspective, I am still in favour of cash being offered as a payment method but I understand the difficulties the club must have with the banking process. Collections cost money and are diminishing in availability, plus it’s not like there’s a local branch where you could deposit £tensofthousands by hand now.

When the club make significant changes like this, they should let the fans know and the justifications behind it.

.... if they ( the club) opened a post office bank account, paying in cash periodically when required should be relatively straightforward? there are currently a few post office branches relatively close to the Breeze Block

 

[holdsteady]

freedom of choice, .... which is something I like to have.

renewing my ST this year ( in person at the Ticket office) Cash was fine- albeit was before cashless was imposed

Sterling is (still) the currency of Britain , if I choose to use cash to pay for transactions, I am ( well, I should be) entitled to do so. Cash is legal tender

Card only/ cashless outlets tend not to get my business out of choice ( there are exceptions, though I don't like them)


!'ll likely pop in the'bird for a beer if Im going to the ticket office.... CASH only in the 'bird '

incidentally the turnstiles at CPF for yesterdays OUWFC match accepted cash, as did the bar in CPF clubhouse


I personally like to have the choice of using cash if I want to

any thoughts regarding programme sellers at the Breeze Block being CASH only?
seems if I want to buy a matchday programme at home games I WILL have to take cash with me as well as a debit card

You are paying in Sterling, just digitally.

The Blackbird not accepting card/phone payments is up to them, but its increasingly strange and, this might not be the reason for it, but it has been fairly quiet over the last year when I have been in there, used to be a struggle to get a drink before a game at certain times but barely a queue now. Its not a very good reason for the club to not go cashless that a local pub only accepts cash is it? I imagine that the carwash is as well but I don't think that should effect the clubs decision making.

Haven't bought a programme in years and I am surprised they are still going to be honest, I should imagine its because the concourses are crap for mobile WIFI, have a feeling the club will stop doing programmes before that is sorted though.

I get that its legal tender etc, I get that the club should have informed people earlier and more clearly, but beyond that its hardly a huge infringement on your civil liberties, pay in cash or ping your card, they both take the same amount of money out of your account, not really sure anyone's "freedom of choice" is being greatly impeded here, plus its such a weird thing to want freedom of choice about.

 

[Mojofilter]

The club are entitled to ask for payment in whatever method they want. There is no legal issues for them if they wanted tk go card, cash or cheque only or if they only accepted very nice pebbles. Its their choice what method they accept

 

[Oxymoron]

If worst came to the worst and there was an IT fault then cash would have to be accepted

If the worst came to the worst, they wouldn't be able to print you a ticket, so the "IT failure" scenario is a bit irrelevant in this debate.

FWIW, I'm fully behind people having the choice to pay how they wish but business's are moving away from cash for their convenience not yours.....

 

[East Stand Fan]

If the worst came to the worst, they wouldn't be able to print you a ticket, so the "IT failure" scenario is a bit irrelevant in this debate.

FWIW, I'm fully behind people having the choice to pay how they wish but business's are moving away from cash for their convenience not yours.....

The payment processing system is completely independent of the ticket one so in this case, both would have to fail and then the expected fallback would be fans paying at the turnstiles. Businesses can certainly move away, but there are fundamental legal and consumer protection barriers in place and if the club was challenged, they would likely lose. Imagine if Tesco in 5 years time only accepted Bitcoin so they could swerve fees, taxes and maximise revenue value - that would be a huge inconvenience and alienate a huge portion of customers. That's not too dissimilar than the people that still use cash exclusively these days.

 

[holdsteady]

The payment processing system is completely independent of the ticket one so in this case, both would have to fail and then the expected fallback would be fans paying at the turnstiles. Businesses can certainly move away, but there are fundamental legal and consumer protection barriers in place and if the club was challenged, they would likely lose. Imagine if Tesco in 5 years time only accepted Bitcoin so they could swerve fees, taxes and maximise revenue value - that would be a huge inconvenience and alienate a huge portion of customers. That's not too dissimilar than the people that still use cash exclusively these days.

Bitcoin and paying in sterling on your card are not the same thing. Any business can refuse to serve a customer so I doubt it would lose a case in court.

I very much doubt we will ever see a situation that sees us paying at the turnstiles, although as most people have season/match tickets that won't happen. I actually don't think the club will carry on with in person and on the day sales if we end up in the championship in the new ground, the club already puts a mark up on on the day sales as it would rather you bought beforehand, it already encourages you to download/print off your own ticket, its pretty easy to see where this is heading. Like most most businesses it wants to have as little physical admin as possible.

At least we have learnt who gets paid cash in hand on this thread, lucky tax dodging buggers.

 

[SteMerritt]

It's the kids I feel sorry for as we move towards a cashless society. When I was growing up, every other weekend my brother and I used to go on the pitch at The Manor after games whilst Dad had a few drinks in the 100 club, the amount of cash that we managed to pick up kept us in junk food for days - this can't happen in cashless times. The Oxford 5 Leeds 2 game in particular stands out, the amount of money that was generously shared by their fans with Steve Hardwick that day was impressive. And to think people call Yorkshire folk tight...

 

[Sarge]

Bitcoin and paying in sterling on your card are not the same thing. Any business can refuse to serve a customer so I doubt it would lose a case in court.

I very much doubt we will ever see a situation that sees us paying at the turnstiles, although as most people have season/match tickets that won't happen. I actually don't think the club will carry on with in person and on the day sales if we end up in the championship in the new ground, the club already puts a mark up on on the day sales as it would rather you bought beforehand, it already encourages you to download/print off your own ticket, its pretty easy to see where this is heading. Like most most businesses it wants to have as little physical admin as possible.

At least we have learnt who gets paid cash in hand on this thread, lucky tax dodging buggers.

generally get paid via bacs transfer, albeit semi- retired now

when buying/ selling/ part trading rare original vinyl etc, best deals are secured in good old fashioned cash transactions. That said, for higher end deals, PayPal is often helpful

Basic, but far from a definitive, rule of thumb for me, tends to be for purchases under £20/£25 in an outlet of any sort , Cash is my preference- over £25 maybe debit card maybe cash ( depends how much it is- and how Im feeling)

 

[bashamwonderland]

Imagine if a cashless society was being proposed 20 years ago, people would be rioting.

Nobody cares anymore. About anything. Surveil my entire existence, track my every move, make me pay £12.50 to drive around my own city without improving infrastructure first. It's an epidemic of total indifference.

 

[Sarge]

Imagine if a cashless society was being proposed 20 years ago, people would be rioting.

Nobody cares anymore. About anything. Surveil my entire existence, track my every move, make me pay £12.50 to drive around my own city without improving infrastructure first. It's an epidemic of total indifference.

per day presumably?


absolutely spot on re,( certaintly generally), nobody caring anymore about anything. Sadly . Yes, it is an epidemic of indifference, to say the least.

we've been being tracked by 'the man' for many years now too, mobile phones, internet devices, cashless transactions and the like. Orwell's premonition of Big Brother watching you/ us is more than a reality

 

[holdsteady]

Imagine if a cashless society was being proposed 20 years ago, people would be rioting.

Nobody cares anymore. About anything. Surveil my entire existence, track my every move, make me pay £12.50 to drive around my own city without improving infrastructure first. It's an epidemic of total indifference.

My biggest worry if anyone is following my entire existence is that they will fall asleep out of boredom and do a s**t job, I want it done properly. If like me you are on Facebook or any social media I don't see the point of worrying about it, can't put anything into google or talk in front of my Alexa without seeing an advert for it next time I look, my data has been harvested and my algorithm profiled so much that Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk, Gates and the rest of the lads know more about me than I do.

Not certain ULEZ zones being rolled out across Greater London has any relevance to a league one club not wanting the tinfoil hat boys to saddle it with the change from the sweet jar, I don't agree with the ULEZ scheme being rolled out into the surrounds of London, quite obviously you need a car to get around a lot of the areas its been extended to and the benefits are not worth the hardship it will cause some people, it has been rushed in by a failing Mayor.

Its heading towards a physical cashless society but its still cash, 20 years ago we didn't have the technology so that would of been a nightmare, you had to sign for stuff you bought with your card, the queue at the bars for everyone buying a Fosters shandy that way would of been a bit long, if you had offered us the choice of just tapping the card to pay twenty years ago though we all would of taken it just like we have recently, I was around then and coming home from a night out with £23.87 in various small coins was not something I would of rioted to keep.

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

It's the kids I feel sorry for as we move towards a cashless society. When I was growing up, every other weekend my brother and I used to go on the pitch at The Manor after games whilst Dad had a few drinks in the 100 club, the amount of cash that we managed to pick up kept us in junk food for days - this can't happen in cashless times. The Oxford 5 Leeds 2 game in particular stands out, the amount of money that was generously shared by their fans with Steve Hardwick that day was impressive. And to think people call Yorkshire folk tight...

When my brother was a teenager he'd be one of the team of kids employed to do the 'clean up' after Henley Regatta.

He'd be paid some measly hourly wage, for maybe 3 hours work (3 x £5 say, so maybe £15 for the shift) - but the real value was in finding all the dropped or discarded notes - a tenner here, a couple of 20s there, apparently even 50s.

Your average Regatta attendee is/was someone so wealthy and nonchalant that they'd barely even notice the notes falling from their chino pockets and being stomped into the ground by hundreds of boat shoes.

For the 'clean up kids' it was not uncommon to be able to turn your £15 into more like £115 (which suddenly becomes a good mornings work for a 17 year old).

If Henley Regatta were to go cashless I can only presume that the riverbanks would instead be littered with superfluous debit and credit cards...

 

[Mojofilter]

Imagine if a cashless society was being proposed 20 years ago, people would be rioting.

Nobody cares anymore. About anything. Surveil my entire existence, track my every move, make me pay £12.50 to drive around my own city without improving infrastructure first. It's an epidemic of total indifference.

Is a cashless society "being proposed"? It feels more like a trend for the convenience of card over cash but nobody is pushing for "cashless society"

 

[holdsteady]

generally get paid via bacs transfer, albeit semi- retired now

when buying/ selling/ part trading rare original vinyl etc, best deals are secured in good old fashioned cash transactions. That said, for higher end deals, PayPal is often helpful

Basic, but far from a definitive, rule of thumb for me, tends to be for purchases under £20/£25 in an outlet of any sort , Cash is my preference- over £25 maybe debit card maybe cash ( depends how much it is- and how Im feeling)

See, you are pretty much leaving physical money behind already. I am a late adapter, but their comes a point you have to accept that the Sony Betamax isn't going to take off and buy a VHS, its just less painful.

 

[MarkG]

I read the other day that Visa and Mastercard are raising the fees that they charge merchants for debit and credit card transactions.

Does anyone work for a retailer and know the charges these days? Is it a combination of a small per transaction fee and a percentage of the transaction value?

I know some shops have a minimum fee on card, presumably a 20p or 50p charge on a £5 transaction takes away a lot of the profit?

 

[Sarge]

I read the other day that Visa and Mastercard are raising the fees that they charge merchants for debit and credit card transactions.

Does anyone work for a retailer and know the charges these days? Is it a combination of a small per transaction fee and a percentage of the transaction value?

I know some shops have a minimum fee on card, presumably a 20p or 50p charge on a £5 transaction takes away a lot of the profit?

probably not much of an indication compared to larger retail outlets, but the chippy at the bottom of Headley Way had a minimum spend of £5 on debit/ credit card transactions for the past 3or 4 years, they very recently raised the minimum card 'spend' transaction to £10 - they prefer cash under a £10 spend (obviously)

 

[Oxymoron]

Orwell's premonition of Big Brother watching you/ us is more than a reality

We're actually walking (walked?) into Huxley's "Brave New World" rather than the authoritative "1984".......

 

[Scrongo]

The thing is ,who have the club told about it??? I went again to purchase my ticket, but because of the Charlton game I knew it had been changed, to cashless.
When I was in the que there was ,still people questioning it & didn't have a Scooby...
I'm the same as Sarge, I went to Vodafone to buy a phone, literally hundreds of pounds. Went through the whole process with the person that worked there, got my wallet out ,got my cash out , he said we are cashless business now.
So I said ,stuff your cashless, I'll go somewhere that does . Absolute crazy if you ask me.
Most places that are cashless don't get my custom
Oxford United is exception but not entirely happy about it....