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So you agree with my point?

Don`t be daft!

The line betwixt what is perceived as moral corruption and criminal corruption is pretty wide.

The government in power listens to their party MP`s, that is a given.
Said Government are lobbied to get access to ££££`s by their MP`s
They facilitate the ££££`s to their party MP`s constituencies first.
The opposition MP`s are lower down the list.

It's the reward of winning.
 
Don`t be daft!

The line betwixt what is perceived as moral corruption and criminal corruption is pretty wide.

The government in power listens to their party MP`s, that is a given.
Said Government are lobbied to get access to ££££`s by their MP`s
They facilitate the ££££`s to their party MP`s constituencies first.
The opposition MP`s are lower down the list.

It's the reward of winning.
Absolutely right....rather than going to the most impoverished communities, where it is really needed from a Government governing for the whole of the electorate, not just those who voted for them. We expect nothing less (or should that be more) from the Selfservative feather-your-nest brigade :ROFLMAO:
 
Absolutely right....rather than going to the most impoverished communities, where it is really needed from a Government governing for the whole of the electorate, not just those who voted for them. We expect nothing less (or should that be more) from the Selfservative feather-your-nest brigade :ROFLMAO:

However, those "impoverished communities" are little pockets in many cities & counties so it`s not as simple as throwing money at them.

Here in West Leicester, we are classified as being in a deprived postcode but it isn`t as simple as that.
There is a nearby road where the road surface changes from tarmac (the nice bit) into 1970`s concrete road slabs. On the tarmac side most folk are comfortable bordering on well off, on the concrete and beyond it is a classic "sink estate" think BB Leys when it was rough.

So how do you fix that?

Do you invest in the County (Conservative) , which is just over a mile away, or in the City (Labour) with one batshit crazy MP and a Mayor that blames everything on "The Government"?

Follow the path of least resistance.
 
However, those "impoverished communities" are little pockets in many cities & counties so it`s not as simple as throwing money at them.

Here in West Leicester, we are classified as being in a deprived postcode but it isn`t as simple as that.
There is a nearby road where the road surface changes from tarmac (the nice bit) into 1970`s concrete road slabs. On the tarmac side most folk are comfortable bordering on well off, on the concrete and beyond it is a classic "sink estate" think BB Leys when it was rough.

So how do you fix that?

Do you invest in the County (Conservative) , which is just over a mile away, or in the City (Labour) with one batshit crazy MP and a Mayor that blames everything on "The Government"?

Follow the path of least resistance.
In other words do what is easy and self preserving, rather than what is the hard but right thing to do.

That's written into Boris DNA isn't it?
 
What do you mean by 'rabid'?
And clearly missed the bit in Ian Watson's analysis which says:

"Certainly she wasn't the choice of Len McCluskey, the dominant voice in trade unionism for a decade.
So her victory may come as a relief to Sir Keir Starmer - who has been criticised by Mr McCluskey - and he swiftly congratulated Sharon Graham today."

And this is refeshing too:

" . . . . while she may not involve herself in party faction fighting, it is by no means clear that she will continue with the current level of generous donations to Labour.
She has talked about "payment by results", and "no blank cheques".
But employers may have more to fear than Labour leaders. As an organiser, she has found new ways to exert pressure during disputes, and often gets involved when these turn hostile."

Good! - they should not be hand in glove....unlike Corbyn and McCluskey were.

So she's stood on a platform of "Workplace, not Westiminster" and it won the day. Again - good! Is that not exactly what Unions are for, rather than as the controlling mind of the opposition/government of the day?!

Such a shame the actual government can't show the same restraint when distancing itself from the "influencers."...too many greasy palms I suspect. Which is kind of exactly what our resident Tory cheerleader said in his post here. Tories first, sod the rest!
 
And clearly missed the bit in Ian Watson's analysis which says:

"Certainly she wasn't the choice of Len McCluskey, the dominant voice in trade unionism for a decade.
So her victory may come as a relief to Sir Keir Starmer - who has been criticised by Mr McCluskey - and he swiftly congratulated Sharon Graham today."

And this is refeshing too:

" . . . . while she may not involve herself in party faction fighting, it is by no means clear that she will continue with the current level of generous donations to Labour.
She has talked about "payment by results", and "no blank cheques".
But employers may have more to fear than Labour leaders. As an organiser, she has found new ways to exert pressure during disputes, and often gets involved when these turn hostile."

Good! - they should not be hand in glove....unlike Corbyn and McCluskey were.

So she's stood on a platform of "Workplace, not Westiminster" and it won the day. Again - good! Is that not exactly what Unions are for, rather than as the controlling mind of the opposition/government of the day?!

Such a shame the actual government can't show the same restraint when distancing itself from the "influencers."...too many greasy palms I suspect. Which is kind of exactly what our resident Tory cheerleader said in his post here. Tories first, sod the rest!

Where were the unions when the Labour Party were doing this?
 

Where were the unions when the Labour Party were doing this?
No idea. But as he Labour party has been haemorrhaging funding and members for a while I guess the redundancies were inevitable as the size of the party was unsustainable. It's a real shame that employment laws and employees protections have been eroded isn't it? This practice, whilst as distasteful and underhand as enforced zero or minimum hours contracts, is legal is it not?

Not something I can condone though!

Didn't BT do exactly the same thing quite recently?
 
No idea. But as he Labour party has been haemorrhaging funding and members for a while I guess the redundancies were inevitable as the size of the party was unsustainable. It's a real shame that employment laws and employees protections have been eroded isn't it? This practice, whilst as distasteful and underhand as enforced zero or minimum hours contracts, is legal is it not?

Not something I can condone though!

Didn't BT do exactly the same thing quite recently?

British Gas wasn`t it?

Starmer roundly condemned "fire & rehire" ....................about 12 months before using it.

Which makes it a tad difficult to rein it back as policy.

Whether "zero hours" are any better than casual contracts is a matter for another thread, they suit some people well but not everyone who is employed with them.
 
Increased taxation*, increased spend on health and social care.

You vote for Johnson and get Corbyn. Who'd have seen that coming.

*albeit the wrong taxation
 
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Increased taxation*, increased spend on health and social care.

You vote for Johnson and get Corbyn. Who'd have seen that coming.

*albeit the wrong taxation

The right taxation is the one that can be efficiently collected and goes in the pot.

The wrong taxation can be easily avoided/negated and doesn`t go in the pot.

And so it has always been.
 
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