New Stadium Plans - The Triangle - Planning

then did it again using a different name just changed a few bits

Having read the planning application for the stadium at the triangle in Kidlington and havethe following concerns:Local Planning ApplicationThis is a local planning application that will adversely affect the people of Kidlington in anumber of ways.Because it is football related, it has evidently drawn in large amount of support fromdisparate regions, including as far afield as Aberdeen, and Cumbria, as well as Les Houches,in France and Victoria, in Australia!!These cannot be treated as support, given the effects felt by these respondents will beminimal if not non-existent.Being a football fan, does not justify support for the move from one stadium to anotherwhen the former is in good condition, has c 40 years of life left and has the potential forgrowth.Green BeltBuilding on Green belt land demands the achievement of a very high bar.The 'very special circumstances' cited to justify this proposed Green Belt development havenot been demonstrated.In this application, the three case studies used to justify meeting the 'very specialcircumstances' have no relevance here.This is because:1. Newcastle Falcons in 2002, did not occupy a 23-year-old stadium (with a 60-year life)that already had foundations and potential to expand to 16,000 seats. OUFC are notmembers of a prestigious league such as the Premier League.2. Brighton and Hove Albion: If this is deemed to be similar, this case was called in during2001. It took until 2005 for the secretary of state to judge in their favour, only for this to bequashed in 2006. it was not finally approved until 2007. This is far from a clear-cutprecedent. In this case, OUFC would be without a stadium until 2031. As such, OUFC shouldbe building relationships with Mr Kassam.3. Southend United in 2008, was to be built close to, not in green belt land and so isentirely irrelevant.Two of these cases are more than 20 years old. Oxfordshire Councils have since recognisedclimate change as an existential 'emergency'.There were no alternate sites in these three case study locations. There are 42 beingconsidered in Oxfordshire, 8 of these are not in the green belt.The proposed Kidlington site is not in Oxford City.These case studies are not at all relevant to this application and do not provide a precedentfor building on green belt land.It is clear that OUFC management's failure to consider the future of their club, and tonegotiate contracts with the Kassam owners for the longevity of the site (60 years) isoutstandingly poor business.Green belt cannot be overruled as a result of such bad business decisions or weak businessmanagement. These are commercial decisions, and are not the concern of the people ofKidlington who would-be left to pick up the pieces of this.What will OUFC do if the same poor management leads to a future disagreement with theirnew owner? Will they seek to demolish this site in Kidlington, and build another stadiumelsewhere?Biodiversity Net GainThe application claims that this site isn't highly biodiverse. This is entirely false. The site isrich in biodiversity including, but not confined to, great crested newt, badgers, and bats.These are all protected species.Since it is now universally accepted that the monitoring equipment installed at the site todetect these bats was removed very shortly after it was installed, there have effectivelybeen no bat surveys conducted.This is legal requirement in such an area. In terms of these species, absence of evidence isnot evidence of absence.What are the new and improved habitats? "The vision has been to incorporate flexible multifunctional spaces, monocultured (and aesthetically pleasant trees and shrubs) that can beenjoyed whether it be a match day or not".This fails to understand anything about Biodiversity. Biodiversity net gain is not about givingover green and wild lands to public wanderings.How exactly can the building of a concrete and asphalt mass on this site, add a 10% netbiodiversity gain?This premise is built on the entirely false assumption that the site is currently biodiversityneutral and contains no biodiversity. This is evidently and absolutely not the case.Traffic and transportThe planning statement anticipates there will be 580 annual events at the stadium andproposes a stadium with 18,000 seats and lounge access for 1,000 guests. Parking at thissite will only be available for around 80 cars.The Kidlington roads where we live, work and study, are already congested. Where is the AirQuality Management Plan that supports the addition of up to 18,000 additional cars onfootball match days?There is no evidence that supporters (that don't currently use public transport to attendKassam), will suddenly change their travel habits and travel by more expensive trains,simply because of this proposed move to Kidlington. Supporters can travel to Oxford RailwayStation for Kassam now and, according to OUFC's own evidence, they broadly do not do this.There is therefore no current evidence that supporters use the train or will use the train toattend a new site.Where is the UK case study evidence to demonstrate that football supporters will suddenlymove their journey habits to rail?Of the 24 teams in League One, where Oxford United play, most would find it challenging totravel by train. There is no evidence that this form of transport - 'that forms thesustainability claim of the application', would result in majority supporters taking railtransport to this new ground.There is no plan for the additional congestion, traffic spill, double parking and increasedautomotive exhaust emissions that will ensue from this ill-considered application. This willcause considerable harm and safety issues to local children and older residents.The plan to install a crossing over Frieze Way (which it appears is already now beingconstructed by Oxfordshire County Council Highways as part of roundabout adjustments,and before this application even being considered by Cherwell District Council Planners!),effectively agrees that parking will spill over into Kidlington residential streets.Supporters that travel by train or bus (as the application proposes), would be on the otherside of the roundabout and would have no other reason to cross Frieze Way to and fromKidlington.It appears that this move to install a Crossing at Freize Way is an acceptance that thisapplication has already been agreed, pre-planning. This looks highly suspect!The Fan Travel section of the Sustainability Statement bases all of its 'what if' beliefs on twosurveys of football supporters. It shows over 83.1% of supporters currently travel by privatetransport (cars and vans).The 'what if' ambition suggests a 33% reduction in CO2e emissions 'if' car use dropped to32%. What and where is the evidence for this?Away supporters will all have at least one change to make (most will need to make two ormore), in order to take trains to the site. If supporters claim they would not drive to site,why is this not evident currently in the 83.1% figure, where only 16.9% use sustainableforms of travel?And why on match days are all roads leading to and from the Kassam loaded with parkedcars?ConstructionThe talk of a Route Map for Avoidable Waste in Construction could be better delivered by notconstructing this new site.OUFC and its new owner should be coming to a sustainable business arrangement with MrKassam to build a fourth stand at the Kassam and upgrade facilities there.This will avoid the need to demolish a perfectly good and adaptable stadium and avoid all ofthe embodied carbon being lost from this 23-year-old site.An approach to share ownership of the Kassam site may be an option. Where is the evidencethat such discussions been conducted 'to exhaustion' between the old and new owners andOUFC themselves?Carbon Reduction PledgesThe summary claims a 51% CO2e reduction by moving to Stratfield Brake. The stadium isnot being built at Stratfield Brake, so how is this relevant? Even if it were relevant, this isclearly not taking into account the embodied CO2e within the existing Kassam Stadium.The 'what if' reductions discussed in this Sustainability Statement, are exactly that, what ifsand pipe dreams.What if the stadium were to be built to Olympic standards or to BREEAM Outstanding andconfirmed as this?In reality, we see an application with vaguely aspirational goals to be diluted if they use toomuch capital funding and start to look like they might become 'economically unviable'.A voluntary BREEAM 'Very Good' equates to 55% of what an outstanding build would looklike. this is what BREEAM 'very good' means. This application demonstrates that neitherOUFC or its new owners have any will to build a sustainable or world class stadium.Instead, a cheap and quick build to satisfy the financial benefits of its overseas palm oilinvestors.By simply asking the question 'what if?" OUFC are failing to make any pledges ordemonstrate any evidence of agreed and firm CO2e reduction actions or means thereof.They have provided no evidence that any of these 'aspirations' will be delivered.Buildings account for 37% of total GHG emissions; How can Oxfordshire County Council(OCC) who have supported this project from the start "Do their part to achieve a net zerocarbon district by 2030 and to lead through example" whilst acting in this way?OCC may wish to consider compulsory purchase of Kassam, since they appear to feel that anunnecessary football ground outweighs the legalities of green belt land.If OCC feel so strongly about the need to assist OUFC, they should interject into thenegotiations with Mr Kassam about coming to an agreement over a perfectly good andestablished football ground; A ground that has built-in potential and foundations to deliver16,000 seats.Given that OUFC have never, in their history, achieved a capacity crowd (one of the reasonsthat the fourth stand was never erected), the Kassam would look to be more than adequat
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.Because it is football related, it has evidently drawn in large amount of support fromdisparate regions, including as far afield as Aberdeen, and Cumbria, as well as Les Houches,in France and Victoria, in Australia!!These cannot be treated as support, given the effects felt by these respondents will beminimal if not non-existent.Being a football fan, does not justify support for the move from one stadium to another

because we are have support all over world not just in oxfordshire
 
Responses so far.....

For: 407 with 67 from OX5 and 153 total from CDC.

Against: 46 with 35 from OX5 and 2 more from the CDC area

Not really sure I should count all of the company directors comments so I've left one off.
 
….and then goes on to write hundreds of words demonstrating that he didn’t read the application at all.

And yet FoSB has the temerity to say OUFC is wasting public-servants valuable time. Bloody cheek.
They have the temerity to say a lot of things. Claiming they are a "friends" of a sports ground they do absolutely nothing to help keep to a decent standard being one.
 
Responses so far.....

For: 407 with 67 from OX5 and 153 total from CDC.

Against: 46 with 35 from OX5 and 2 more from the CDC area

Not really sure I should count all of the company directors comments so I've left one off.
your now have to discount all those from outside of oxfordshire to please the company director
 
honestly who in there right mind would think there would be 18k extra for starters thats 2k more than the capacity and not every single person wo attends a game can drive absolutely stupid statement to make
Also his statement completely contradicts itself. You cannot claim OUFC don't have enough supporters to warrant a stadium of the size we are planning and then say 18,000 cars will turn up. What is it, OUFC havent got enough fans or have too many fans? Such a ridiculous rambling statement.
 
Also his statement completely contradicts itself. You cannot claim OUFC don't have enough supporters to warrant a stadium of the size we are planning and then say 18,000 cars will turn up. What is it, OUFC havent got enough fans or have too many fans? Such a ridiculous rambling statement.
also states we have never had a sell out as a reason why we haven't built a forth stand no its because kassam is a t**t
 
Genuine question - is there a minimum age for someone to post a comment to the planning application. My son would like to and he is under 16.
 
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