QR
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That's not fair. Why can't we both be?QR is posting stuff like this, but according to some on here I'm the paranoid one!
That's not fair. Why can't we both be?QR is posting stuff like this, but according to some on here I'm the paranoid one!
I had spotted this pre Brexit lolI swear they read this forum [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
Brexit proving people who ‘like to tell it how it is’ really don’t ‘like to hear it how it is’
Brexit is proving that people in the UK who boast that ‘telling it how it is’ as if its a badge of honour, really don’t want to ‘hear how it is’ in actuality.newsthump.com
Ah 'newsthump', that reliable sourceI swear they read this forum [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
Brexit proving people who ‘like to tell it how it is’ really don’t ‘like to hear it how it is’
Brexit is proving that people in the UK who boast that ‘telling it how it is’ as if its a badge of honour, really don’t want to ‘hear how it is’ in actuality.newsthump.com
One of my siblings works for the Environment Agency, monitoring pollution levels in rivers and waterways across the region. They were banging on about this possibility 3/4 years ago and are as delighted as you would expect by the latest developments. Not to mention a bit sad and stuff, because he always used to get told it was nonsense that the supply of essential chemicals could be affected, despite it being his job to know how it all works. Now the same people who told him he was wrong are telling him it isn’t a big deal. And around and around it goes…
One of my siblings works for the Environment Agency, monitoring pollution levels in rivers and waterways across the region. They were banging on about this possibility 3/4 years ago and are as delighted as you would expect by the latest developments. Not to mention a bit sad and stuff, because he always used to get told it was nonsense that the supply of essential chemicals could be affected, despite it being his job to know how it all works. Now the same people who told him he was wrong are telling him it isn’t a big deal. And around and around it goes…
My dad is retired but until two years ago worked for Thames Water in the waste department (he was a sewage worker, to be blunt), and he couldn’t believe it when he heard about the plans to just dump it neat. His brain isn’t what it used to be, but he’s still got enough marbles left to understand the potential severity of it.
That this has gone on right before the UK hosts COP26 is beautiful irony if nothing else. Like attending a vegan rally straight from the opening of an abattoir, or rocking up at an electric car convention in a monster truck.
The Government would surely have been made aware of these problems during the transition period? But just seemed to jump on the “Project Fear” band wagon as it was the easier option at that particular time. They really aren’t fit for purpose. How many other critical decisions are they ducking or failing to understand?It is the same as those claiming PROJECT FEAR every time when experts in their field said what would happen in their fields of expertise after Brexit.
The Government were absolutely aware of this as every single department and Arms Length Body (such as the EA) were heavily involved in the risk assessment process and yes I am absoluty sure that, as Ryan points out, supply of chemicals for water and effluent treatment were identified as at risk due as we are heavily dependent on a supply chain that involves Europe.The Government would surely have been made aware of these problems during the transition period? But just seemed to jump on the “Project Fear” band wagon as it was the easier option at that particular time. They really aren’t fit for purpose. How many other critical decisions are they ducking or failing to understand?
What’s the point in having a Government that doesn’t understand it’s role?
Yes, a very limited amount which can be managed safely and occasionally organically by the environment. Not an open tap without restriction that threatens to send our water quality back thirty-plus years.IIRC Water companies have always been allowed to discharge raw sewage - its not a good thing in ANY way - if they exceeded a certain volume they got fined.
Yes, a very limited amount which can be managed safely and occasionally organically by the environment. Not an open tap without restriction that threatens to send our water quality back thirty-plus years.
When two members of my family who did / still do this for a job are both stunned by the decision, despite being on opposite ‘sides’ not just in terms of industry but also politically, it makes me think this isn’t just a shoulder shrug. It’s a bad move that has largely come about because they didn’t sort things out before yanking the plug out of the wall.
I don’t know that not flushing the toilet when you go wee wee is the answer to them not sorting out how toilets work. It might save on your water bill a bit and use less fresh water in the cistern (still worth doing) but it does nothing in regards to sewage. The same amount is going down there eventually whether you flush once or three times, and it’s what they do with it when it gets there that is the issue.
Trouble is some of them are running the countryIt`s a fact of life dearest, some people are intellectually challenged, they are all around us, and the primary reason we need signs on things that are obviously dangerous.
And they can vote too.
So for decades water companies prioritise dividends over investment in infrastructure, make commercial decisions to risk fines over investment and the solution is to flush less? I don't think you are really getting this.If we flushed the loo less often (if its yellow let it mellow, if its brown flush it down)
So for decades water companies prioritise dividends over investment in infrastructure, make commercial decisions to risk fines over investment and the solution is to flush less? I don't think you are really getting this.
£57 billion paid in dividends since 1991. That's all you need to know.Really?
Are they not balancing a see-saw without increasing bills?
Water companies reveal additional £8 billion investment with bills kept down again | Water UK
Water companies in England and Wales will invest more than £8 billion in 2019-20. The investment comes in the fifth year of a £44 billion spending commitment…www.water.org.uk
£57 billion paid in dividends since 1991. That's all you need to know.
It's an essential utility. Provided by the tax payer at its inception (because the private sector couldn't make a profit out of it) and sold on the cheap to the private sector. Its number one concern should have been maintaining, updating and improving the infrastructure not the opposite so it could pay dividends to shareholders. If the £57 billion paid to shareholders was recalculated to 2021 prices and then factoring in the efficiencies that investment over the past 30 years will have brought and suddenly you don't have the enormous problem you have now.Against a capital expenditure across the same period of £123 billion.
Is that not how all private businesses work?
Do "something" to make a reasonable profit for investors?
Consumerism is what is screwing the planet because we need an eternal supply of new consumers to keep buying "stuff" that is done by population expansion. Population expansion consumes more, does more harm, creates more waste.
Fewer people - consume less - waste less.
Time to cull a few out.