National News Boris Johnson - Ousted Former PM
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He must have had covid as a kid then.
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It would be silent as he would have an electric vehicle.
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Good to see you can still squeeze into the uniform
Just in case you thought anything was wrong........................
The caring Tories:
Let them drown rather than save them or you could be prosecuted, including the RNLI.
And the Home Office under the Tories appear to be continuing the "hostile environment" for those affected from the Windrush scandal:
Let them drown rather than save them or you could be prosecuted, including the RNLI.
And the Home Office under the Tories appear to be continuing the "hostile environment" for those affected from the Windrush scandal:
Windrush survivor: Will we get government compensation before we die?
A report by MPs says the Home Office should be stripped of running the Windrush compensation scheme.
www.bbc.co.uk
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The caring Tories:
Let them drown rather than save them or you could be prosecuted, including the RNLI.
And the Home Office under the Tories appear to be continuing the "hostile environment" for those affected from the Windrush scandal:
Windrush survivor: Will we get government compensation before we die?
A report by MPs says the Home Office should be stripped of running the Windrush compensation scheme.www.bbc.co.uk
Reads headline.
Reads article.
"Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, has promised an amendment that will exclude RNLI crew members and other rescue organisations by distinguishing them from smugglers operating for profit."
You trust a promise from a Minister of this Govt?! I certainly don't especially with their many u-turns.
What about those who happen past somebody drowning while out sailing? Could you just leave them to drown rather than risk prosecution? The legislation is ridiculous and as usual when rushed is a mess and potentially dangerous.
Also, what are your views on the situation with the victims from the Windrush scandal?
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Yep...and what Pritti promises, ALWAYS happens
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It still means human beings will have to watch other human beings die for fear of being prosecuted, all for the (miniscule) risk that they might be people trafficking.
Think about it for a moment - why would traffickers do that when it's a high risk strategy and there's no money to be made once the migrants are bobbing about in peril in the channel....they've already had all their money taken before they got in the boat!! - I mean it's not like they're going to get out the credit card machine and get the drowning person to swipe before pulling them aboard!
Think about it for a moment - why would traffickers do that when it's a high risk strategy and there's no money to be made once the migrants are bobbing about in peril in the channel....they've already had all their money taken before they got in the boat!! - I mean it's not like they're going to get out the credit card machine and get the drowning person to swipe before pulling them aboard!
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Might stop some of these idiotic families from risking their children's lives crossing an extremely dangerous body of water to "escape" France, one of the safest and richest countries on the planet.
Any deterrent is a good deterrent and hopefully it is put in place and works.
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Making a distinction between the RNLI and organised crime?
Well that's going the extra mile, they really didn't need to do that.
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How?
Desperate people take desperate measures, and you know full well they aren't escaping France - to suggest so is rather silly
The fact you see them as "idiotic" says far more about you I'm afraid.
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If they know there won't be rescue for them they will be knowingly and culpably risking their children's (or their own, considering most are single young men) lives. Acts as a deterrent.
"Desperate people do take measures" is an accurate statement which doesn't actually serve to advance any point either of us is making.
The use of quotation marks around "escape" made it perfectly clear that I wasn't being serious about the escape. As I say above France is exceedingly rich and safe so we have no moral obligation to take these people.
If I ever take my children across the channel in a dinghy you're welcome to call me an idiot.
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Public sector in inefficiency shocker.
I will surmise the difficulty is that each case is an individual who has suffered in different ways.
So the system either offers an expedited "fixed compensation payment" or examines each case on its merits.
The reality is it shouldn`t have happened in the first place but as you say rushed legislation is often bad legislation.
It could be inefficiency or it could be unwillingness by the Home Office and it's management (Civil Service and Politicians) considering they were the perpetrators and are yet in control of this process.
And what is your view on Sailors having to sail by somebody drowning and do nothing because they may get prosecuted? What would you do?
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It will do absolutely nothing to stop them coming. They have already risked life and limb to travel the thousands of miles to the French coast and put themselves and their families in huge peril as a result, so it is fanciful to think that not having a nice friendly yatchsperson to fish them out of the drink, will make all the difference to their journey choice! There is a 235% increase in numbers attempting it from last year. Probably because those considering it realise how successful it actually is. And it's quick compared to stowing away on a lorry, where the journey is now measured in months, not weeks, because of additional security measures along the route.
It will be interesting to see the first person tried for assisting a drowning migrant under the new legislation and how that argument pans out if it ever got to court. Legislation that encourages/forces inhumane behaviour towards another human being....? I don't think that's a very good place to be. I'm not sure if you know many people who would simply stand by and watch if they saw someone dying, no matter where they might've come from? Thankfully, I don't.
Whilst we're fixated and getting all het up, trying to address the symptoms, nothing will change. Talk of "rights" and "moral obligation" is utterly pointless. It solves nothing, but gives some on the Katie Hopkins end of the spectrum a reason to get angry about it.
And yet, for all this, we are still well behind the numbers of asylum seekers that our European friends are dealing with. Some 29,450 applications for asylum were lodged in the UK in 2020, according to government figures. That's down from a 2002 peak of 84,132.
More than 416,600 new asylum claims were lodged in European Union member states last year, including 102,500 in Germany, 81,800 in France, 37,900 in Greece and 21,200 in Italy, according to Eurostat.
The UK is also not, comparatively speaking, an especially popular destination for unauthorised boat arrivals. In 2020, Italy received 34,000 people who arrived without authorisation by boat, while Spain received over 40,000.
And you wait until we start trying to stem the flow of/getting angry about climate migrants.....we ain't seen nothing yet!
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Migrants deaths in Channel: 27 people die after migrant dinghy sinks off Calais - five women and girl among victims
Fishermen describe seeing two small dinghies, one with people onboard and another empty - as Boris Johnson says human traffickers are "literally getting away with murder".
news.sky.com
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You say it will do nothing to stop them coming but we've had years to deal with this in a diplomatic way and failed at every turn. We've done nothing in a hard-line or authoritarian mould yet, so I'm all for trying something a bit different to stop them. The system isn't working - how would you suggest we stop them?
I'm not sure what the cause of action for the crime you just made up would be, and I'm also not sure it's worth hypothesising over something that hasn't happened. The legislation doesn't force inhumane treatment, you're just trying to draw parallels with fascism to make a point.
Just because we aren't a comparatively overloaded country doesn't mean we just give up or take even more. That argument doesn't work for inactivity on climate change and it shouldn't work for inactivity on stopping migrants.
I'm not particularly angry anymore, since the influx in 2015 i came to understand this is a lost cause. Europe is pretty much heading in one direction and we're not faring any better. The debate is still a fun one to have.
