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[Essexyellows]

Were we ever 'world-leading' though? Israel thumped us didn't they? Or is it just that 'second-best in the world' doesn't sound good enough for the hype machine? (despite it being bloody good - one of the government's rare successes alongside the Furlough scheme)

Smaller population.... population of Israel is marginally less than that of London.
They also have a very efficient health system, run in a semi-private way, with compulsory healthcare insurance (Kupat Holim) that folk can also "top up" with private policies.
Israel has also done a deal with Pfizer/BioNtech for the patient data which wouldn`t have got past privacy laws in the UK.
It is also alleged (fact but...) that they weighed up the cost of locking down with "paying a premium" for the vaccine and chose the latter option.

 

[SteMerritt]

Smaller population.... population of Israel is marginally less than that of London.
Israel has also done a deal with Pfizer/BioNtech for the patient data which wouldn`t have got past privacy laws in the UK.
It is also alleged (fact but...) that they weighed up the cost of locking down with "paying a premium" for the vaccine and chose the latter option.

That's not relevant though, if you want to say who is the 'World Leading', they will have a smaller population, but then also smaller resources to handle the rollout.

 

[holdsteady]

That's not relevant though, if you want to say who is the 'World Leading', they will have a smaller population, but then also smaller resources to handle the rollout.

Not necessarily, a country’s resources could be proportionally bigger than its population or vice versa.

 

[SteMerritt]

Not necessarily, a country’s resources could be proportionally bigger than its population or vice versa.

True, but it is still just creating excuses to remove Israel from the equation just so we can claim 'world leading'. You are either the quickest to vaccinate, or someone else is. And in this case, someone else was. But as I said, it was still a success from our side.

 

[TL@69]

Interesting. Do you have some links on that?

 

[QR]

That's not relevant though, if you want to say who is the 'World Leading', they will have a smaller population, but then also smaller resources to handle the rollout.

Germany are now ahead of us so I'm expecting him to say they've been able to achieve this because they are bigger than us and have more resources.

 

[Essexyellows]

That's not relevant though, if you want to say who is the 'World Leading', they will have a smaller population, but then also smaller resources to handle the rollout.

Better, more efficient resources.......... smaller isn`t always "worse".

As with any stats they can be cut & diced in any direction to make a point.
There is no direct correlation across countries because how the data is gathered, analysed and counted is variable.
Doesn`t stop anyone blowing a trumpet though.

Germany are now ahead of us so I'm expecting him to say they've been able to achieve this because they are bigger than us and have more resources.

Really? Go on then................ August 4th`s Data.....

 

[QR]

When you are vaccinating 66+ million folks you go for the big wins first.
Across differing nations, there will be a differing population dynamic by age, overall health, ethnicity etc.
So Germany may have started on young folk sooner, hence the higher numbers, but could still be lagging on the "herd".
Our "world-leading bit" was getting the "herd" done by age & vulnerability while other were dithering.

And about the only thing we got a head start on other countries on we're now falling behind. I'm sure in your mind the apathy for the jab amongst a significant minority of 18 to 30 year old has nothing to do with 'Freedom Day' and the impression that Johnson wants to give that is all over, which was all that those who were wavering needed to give the jab a miss. Mixed messages because he wants too be like.

Just another thing to add to his complete mismanagement of the pandemic.

Remember Johnson saying 'We'll beat this thing in 12 week' then 'it will be over by Christmas'? Seriously, what a t**t.

He claimed to be following the science but the scientists said close down in the last week in September but he waiting for the second wave to be in full flow before he closed in early November therefore requiring a longer lockdown, which he then max out by allowing Christmas gatherings again against scientific advise.

But you continue to blindly support the worse Prime Minister we've every had.

 

[Essexyellows]

And about the only thing we got a head start on other countries on we're now falling behind. I'm sure in your mind the apathy for the jab amongst a significant minority of 18 to 30 year old has nothing to do with 'Freedom Day' and the impression that Johnson wants to give that is all over, which was all that those who were wavering needed to give the jab a miss. Mixed messages because he wants too be like.

Just another thing to add to his complete mismanagement of the pandemic.

Remember Johnson saying 'We'll beat this thing in 12 week' then 'it will be over by Christmas'? Seriously, what a t**t.

He claimed to be following the science but the scientists said close down in the last week in September but he waiting for the second wave to be in full flow before he closed in early November therefore requiring a longer lockdown, which he then max out by allowing Christmas gatherings again against scientific advise.

But you continue to blindly support the worse Prime Minister we've every had.

And?

I doubt any of the current crop could have done any better or for balance any worse.
Nobody alive today has had to deal with a global pandemic where the globe itself is more connected than it ever was.
With that connection comes complexity when it needs to be disconnected.
Back to managing risk with benefit or realism and pragmatism.

The NZ approach of stringent lockdown/lockouts is held up as a beacon for "how to do it" but balance that with where they are now.
Just over 15% fully vaccinated, looking at making app usage mandatory, still isolated from the world and looking for a way out.
Far fewer poorly/dead people but at what long-term cost. I doubt anyone knows that answer yet.

Did you miss the Germany stat that you got wrong? Thought so.

Have a nice weekend.

 

[QR]

Better, more efficient resources.......... smaller isn`t always "worse".

As with any stats they can be cut & diced in any direction to make a point.
There is no direct correlation across countries because how the data is gathered, analysed and counted is variable.
Doesn`t stop anyone blowing a trumpet though.



Really? Go on then................ August 4th`s Data.....
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1 jab UK 39.3 m Germany 51.6 m
2 Jabs UK 32.3 m Germany 44.6 m

as at 4 Aug 21

 

[MC Yellow]

1 jab UK 39.3 m Germany 51.6 m
2 Jabs UK 32.3 m Germany 44.6 m

as at 4 Aug 21

Source?

Look a bit low.

 

[Scotchegg]

1 jab UK 39.3 m Germany 51.6 m
2 Jabs UK 32.3 m Germany 44.6 m

as at 4 Aug 21

Come on, you can't dick about with statistics like that. The UK has over 70% with one vaccine and just shy of 60% with two. Whereas Germany has only 62% with one and best part of 54% with two.

There are a lot to take issue with this Government and Boris more so. But the reality is that we have had an incredible vaccination rollout which is undoubtedly saving thousands of lives.

 

[Northstandboy]

1 jab UK 39.3 m Germany 51.6 m
2 Jabs UK 32.3 m Germany 44.6 m

as at 4 Aug 21

People vaccinated
First dose total - 46,961,830
Second dose total -39 ,047,529
Total
86,009,35
As of 5th Aug

 

[holdsteady]

People vaccinated
First dose total - 46,961,830
Second dose total -39 ,047,529
Total
86,009,35
As of 5th Aug

So we did about 16 million jabs yesterday then

 

[Essexyellows]

1 jab UK 39.3 m Germany 51.6 m
2 Jabs UK 32.3 m Germany 44.6 m

as at 4 Aug 21

5th Aug.

UKHSA data dashboard

Overall summary of the respiratory viruses in circulation within the UK

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

UK
1 Jab- 46,961,380
2 Jab - 39,047,529.

C- Must try harder.

 

[Northstandboy]

So we did about 16 million jabs yesterday then

It's the publically available stats!

 

[Essexyellows]

Just to help @QR as they might have missed it............

 

[SteMerritt]

People vaccinated
First dose total - 46,961,830
Second dose total -39 ,047,529
Total
86,009,35
As of 5th Aug

...as stated on the official site...

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

 

[holdsteady]

It's the publically available stats!

I know, I was just enjoying someone being so far out with the stats, never knew Dianne Abbott (or the Tory equivalent) posted on here.

 

[Scotchegg]

1 jab UK 39.3 m Germany 51.6 m
2 Jabs UK 32.3 m Germany 44.6 m

as at 4 Aug 21

Just because I don't think you will get it, but you very clearly sourced the same data as I did to get the Germany figures exactly right. Yet you (deliberately) massively misrepresented the UK figures which were accessible from the exact same source.

The figures that you quoted for the UK for one jab was achieved at the end of May. The figure for the second jab was achieved on 25th June. And whilst the number if jabs remain lower, the proportion of the UK population is higher for both 1st and 2nd doses.

Please don't take people for fools by making figures up, especially those that take seconds to discredit.