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[QR]

No, no and thrice no! The NHS have tried that and totally fubar`d the job!

We outsourced facilities to a private company, that went to rats and the contract terminated at great cost to staff, patients, buildings,etc etc.
We then lurched into the next crisis which was an arms length LLP.
Absolute cluster fudge that also failed and ended up employing all the staff back onto NHS contracts.
The LLP was dissolved in 2018.

Since then it`s improved amazingly.....

Using that logic you'd never set up a private company given how many go bust every year. Carillon anyone?

 

[Essexyellows]

Using that logic you'd never set up a private company given how many go bust every year. Carillon anyone?

There is a far better way to do it but the powers that be don`t listen to the people on the coal face.
They would rather implement what they think is a good idea against resistance from the very people who are needed to make it work.
Back to pyramids again, build a strong foundation, give people equity and opportunity.
Follow the John Lewis model of employees being structural parts of the business.
If "the people" have ownership or shareholding performance improves, ideas are nurtured and things get better.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

There is a far better way to do it but the powers that be don`t listen to the people on the coal face.
They would rather implement what they think is a good idea against resistance from the very people who are needed to make it work.
Back to pyramids again, build a strong foundation, give people equity and opportunity.
Follow the John Lewis model of employees being structural parts of the business.
If "the people" have ownership or shareholding performance improves, ideas are nurtured and things get better.

See...I knew you were a socialist at heart

By the people, for the people...now where have I heard that before

 

[Essexyellows]

See...I knew you were a socialist at heart

By the people, for the people...now where have I heard that before

Many elements of Socialism have a place, especially in "social" organisations that are there for the greater or societal good. Councils, NHS, Social care.

That's why the small c conservatism works and appealing to right (or left!) doesn`t.

Life is about balance and listening to the people........... like when they vote to do something it is HMG`s job to implement it.

 

[chuckbert]

See...I knew you were a socialist at heart

By the people, for the people...now where have I heard that before

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Many elements of Socialism have a place, especially in "social" organisations that are there for the greater or societal good. Councils, NHS, Social care.

That's why the small c conservatism works and appealing to right (or left!) doesn`t.

Life is about balance and listening to the people........... like when they vote to do something it is HMG`s job to implement it.

Or fall for the bullshit of those only interested in the enrichment of themselves and their immediate coterie. Thats the type of self-servitism we currently have in government.

Boris has form you know - promise much, deliver the square root of f-all.

 

[Essexyellows]

Or fall for the bullshit of those only interested in the enrichment of themselves and their immediate coterie. Thats the type of self-servitism we currently have in government.

Boris has form you know - promise much, deliver the square root of f-all.

You focus too much on characters you don`t like, its not panto season yet.

Wait and see Rishi`s "generous" budget(s) that will filter through to 2023/24 and in turn things will seem to be improving in many facets of life, another Tory landslide and Labour might as well give up.

 

[QR]

Go on guess which country in the UK has a publicly owned water sewerage system?

 

[Sheik djibouti]

And you @Essexyellows focus too much on closing your eyes really really tight, crossing your fingers and hoping those delivering the message will actually deliver on it (rather than looking at their record of doing so).

Then wasting an awful lot of energy making excuses for them when they don't deliver and instead preside over a widening poverty gap, skills shortages, tax breaks for the rich and lucrative contracts for their mates

Actions speak louder than words - a man of your advancing years should know that by now

And wow...after all that, you still believe in the myth of trickle-down economics

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Are you including the lifting of the Public Sector pay freeze in you definition of "Rishi's generous budget"?

If so, you have been hoodwinked (again!).

Cold hard facts are that for most public sector bodies, there will be no new money and any pay offer will have to be found from existing funding.

And that will mean more cuts to services folks, if PSWs are to get anything above inflation....which is unlikely....for the 12th year in a row in some places.

 

[QR]

The Tories have a new logo to celebrate Brexshit.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Go on guess which country in the UK has a publicly owned water sewerage system?

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If you are wondering why this might be the case:

https://www.endsreport.com/article/...ities-environment-risk-ea-chair-tells-eustice

From the article written in June this year, partly quoting a letter from Emma Howard-Boyd who is Chair of the EA:

"Since 2010, funding for the EA’s work has been cut by nearly two-thirds, from £120m to the latest settlement of £43m plus £5m for new activity.

Howard Boyd wrote: “This money has to fund all of our environmental work: our monitoring of air and water quality, enforcement of the regulations that protect the environment, prosecutions, closing down illegal waste sites and tackling waste criminals … responding to environmental incidents.

“Over the last few years the drop in grant has forced us to reduce or stop work it used to fund, with real-world impacts (e.g. on our ability to protect water quality) for which we and the government are now facing mounting criticism.”

So when we talk about "failures of a regulator", just remember who it is who holds the purse strings and prevents them from doing a proper job.

I have no doubt that @RyanioBirdio's family member will atest to how hard/impossible their job has become over that time....

 

[Marked Ox]

fall for the bullshit of those only interested in the enrichment of themselves and their immediate coterie. Thats the type of self-servitism we currently have in government.

Boris has form you know - promise much, deliver the square root of f-all.

You mean like this:

MP Owen Paterson faces suspension for breaking lobbying rules

Ex-minister could be suspended from Commons for 30 days after working as a consultant with two firms

www.theguardian.com

 

[QR]

You mean like this:

MP Owen Paterson faces suspension for breaking lobbying rules

Ex-minister could be suspended from Commons for 30 days after working as a consultant with two firms

www.theguardian.com

And to claim that the investigation contributed his wife's suicide* rather than his actions that led to the need for the investigation is one of the most extreme cases of denial you are ever likely to see.

*although this must have been awful for him and his family.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

The Tories have a new logo to celebrate Brexshit.

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Really clever that, just spent the last ten minutes rolling around in my living room in stitches!

 

[QR]

Really clever that, just spent the last ten minutes rolling around in my living room in stitches!

It's actual no laughing matter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1452882664206311429

 

[Essexyellows]

It's actual no laughing matter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1452882664206311429

You post that as though it is "just us".

Its not.

"Today, London and many other major cities like Paris, Berlin, or Sofia still rely on their ageing wastewater systems."

Swimming in sewage: How can we fix Europe’s smelly rivers?

Europe’s cities are struggling to keep untreated sewage out of their rivers, and the impacts of climate change are making it worse. But one company has come up with a solution.

www.euronews.com

If you`ve ventured down to London you would see this..............

Reconnecting London with the River Thames

Tideway is building a 25km Super Sewer under the Thames to intercept those nasty spills and clean up our river for the good of London, its wildlife and you.

www.tideway.london

I`m no sewage engineer but its not the kind of thing you build overnight but it is being built.

Population expansion, people tarmacing their drives, more housing, excess run off all contributes.

 

[QR]

You post that as though it is "just us".

Its not.

"Today, London and many other major cities like Paris, Berlin, or Sofia still rely on their ageing wastewater systems."

Swimming in sewage: How can we fix Europe’s smelly rivers?

Europe’s cities are struggling to keep untreated sewage out of their rivers, and the impacts of climate change are making it worse. But one company has come up with a solution.

www.euronews.com

If you`ve ventured down to London you would see this..............

Reconnecting London with the River Thames

Tideway is building a 25km Super Sewer under the Thames to intercept those nasty spills and clean up our river for the good of London, its wildlife and you.

www.tideway.london

I`m no sewage engineer but its not the kind of thing you build overnight but it is being built.

Population expansion, people tarmacing their drives, more housing, excess run off all contributes.

I would suggest you are a sewage engineer but not a sewerage engineer!

 

[QR]

I`m no sewage engineer but its not the kind of thing you build overnight but it is being built.

Population expansion, people tarmacing their drives, more housing, excess run off all contributes.

They aren't being asked to do it overnight. The Victorian era didn't end yesterday!

 

[RyanioBirdio]

If you are wondering why this might be the case:

https://www.endsreport.com/article/...ities-environment-risk-ea-chair-tells-eustice

From the article written in June this year, partly quoting a letter from Emma Howard-Boyd who is Chair of the EA:

"Since 2010, funding for the EA’s work has been cut by nearly two-thirds, from £120m to the latest settlement of £43m plus £5m for new activity.

Howard Boyd wrote: “This money has to fund all of our environmental work: our monitoring of air and water quality, enforcement of the regulations that protect the environment, prosecutions, closing down illegal waste sites and tackling waste criminals … responding to environmental incidents.

“Over the last few years the drop in grant has forced us to reduce or stop work it used to fund, with real-world impacts (e.g. on our ability to protect water quality) for which we and the government are now facing mounting criticism.”

So when we talk about "failures of a regulator", just remember who it is who holds the purse strings and prevents them from doing a proper job.

I have no doubt that @RyanioBirdio's family member will atest to how hard/impossible their job has become over that time....

I was told by my sibling after the vote in 2016 that a lot of the EA funding came as a result of EU membership. Now, I’m not sure whether that was in the form of direct contributions from the EU itself or whether the amount of money given to the EA by the UK government was because our membership meant we had an obligation to meet certain funding requirements for environmental organisations, but there is / was a link. I will ask them when I see them at the weekend. They’ll be wondering why I’m sending them so many messages asking about their job otherwise.

The reality is that “other people have some issues of their own” isn’t an argument. Imagine removing the drink drive limit entirely - it would be carnage. Yes, some people still break the limit as it is, but not very many and the overwhelming majority of those few who do only had one drink too many. It is a deterrent that works. It’s very, very rare that you encounter people who are properly sozzled and all over the place behind the wheel. In terms of principle we are essentially removing that limit. If we had roads filled with pissed up drivers smashing into people every day I don’t think anybody would go, “What’s the problem? Somebody got done for drink driving in Germany every single day last year.” It’s about relativity. Not all crimes are equal. As I keep saying, a broken leg and a sprained ankle aren’t as severe as each other just because they’re both an injury.

At some point we need to start making and judging decisions based on future projections and tangible results relative to us. If people want to spin around desperately pointing at everybody else and talking about things that happened 20/30 years ago to deflect, that’s up to them. I would personally rather focus on the here and now, and on making our country as good as it can be. Not trying to using everybody else or anything somebody once did as an excuse for incompetence or wrongdoing. Lots of people do things that they shouldn’t, but you don’t see most people running out into the street and doing whatever they want because “someone else is probably doing it.”

I guess I’m just too much of a patriot.