Ex Player Herbie Kane

[uptheus]

Yes I know whose fault it is. Albeit Karl was quick to suggest others off the pitch shared blame for our season in the post match interview

Kane is not a defensive player. He's being asked to play that role, whilst his attributes and technical ability are better suited elsewhere on the pitch.

Throwing him out, whilst recognising that, is rather short sighted

Who do you think he was referring to re; blame off pitch?

 

[Geordieyellow]

Herbie Kane, in my opinion is the most technically gifted player we have had since roofe. CamBran tops him of course for all round game!

The weakness of Kane is, which has been said, his reluctance to put his foot through it when required, cost us a goal at fleetwood and then today. He needs to work on that.

But take todays second half, we didn’t play football and just hoofed it forward. Nobody wanted the ball to feet, something Kane always does. He will be incredibly tough to replace, especially as CB looks likely to be off. I’d make him target no1 in the summer and build a proper midfield and defence with him in mind! Replace Cam (if he leaves) with a camera like player from Plymouth and get Gorrin fit (or someone better) and that is as good as you will get in league 1.

 

[Osei Yaw]

Herbie Kane is one of the best centre midfielders in this league, he is not one of the best defensive midfielders. When he came in it was very obvious he could play, and I think he's at his best in a midfield 3 with a defensive midfielder behind him, where he can drift into the 'half spaces' (I think that's what the football hipsters call them). He can't do that from a defensive midfield position (and nor should he). He also lacks the physicality to play there.

But I'd have him back in a flash IF he's played in the right role.

This is hopefully a wake up call for Robbo that you can't just cover key positions with talented footballers in the hope you play the opposition off the pitch every week.

 

[Oxymoron]

Who do you think he was referring to re; blame off pitch?

I would assume those players and their associates who agreed to sign for the club but then let us down, meaning we had to enter into late in the day negotiations with what I will somewhat unfairly call less suitable targets.

Wasn't it after the Sheffield Wednesday game that KR actually stopped himself mid-sentence from presumably naming a player who had done just that and then went off on a rant about only wanting players who would play for the shirt and not the pay cheque?

I think some bridges were burnt in January. Who knows what might have been if we had got the players we thought we had....

 

[LowerSouth]

Herbie Kane is one of the best centre midfielders in this league, he is not one of the best defensive midfielders. When he came in it was very obvious he could play, and I think he's at his best in a midfield 3 with a defensive midfielder behind him, where he can drift into the 'half spaces' (I think that's what the football hipsters call them). He can't do that from a defensive midfield position (and nor should he). He also lacks the physicality to play there.

But I'd have him back in a flash IF he's played in the right role.

This is hopefully a wake up call for Robbo that you can't just cover key positions with talented footballers in the hope you play the opposition off the pitch every week.

I think the above is a very astute summation of our season as a whole and largely accounts for us missing out on a playoff place.
19 or 20 different defence/midfield lineups this season, is not a recipe to get the best out of our players and team.
That said this season,with 1 game to play,we’ve lost fewer games (14 vs 16)have a better goal difference(23 vs 21) and have 1 more point (75 vs 74)
I’ve, on the whole,enjoyed this season and look forward to us fighting for an automatic place next season.

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

If you can’t see a quality player in Herbie Kane, then I don’t think football is for you…

I think everyone can see he’s an incredible passer, can pick out a peach of a ball. But he also lacks any kind of pace or physicality and doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes, dallying on the ball around his own box and being robbed time and time again. I can see why a Championship side let him go.

Personally if he was free or cheap then I’d take him, but I wouldn’t want to spend any kind of serious money on him.

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

Herbie is a class footballer , can pick a pass and has tremendous vision. In the 70's/80's he would have been a top player these days though the athletic capabilities evens it up somewhat .
His lack of pace, strength really is noticeable.
For up to £400,000 I'd sign him but realistically not much more than that.

 

[Osei Yaw]

I think the above is a very astute summation of our season as a whole and largely accounts for us missing out on a playoff place.
19 or 20 different defence/midfield lineups this season, is not a recipe to get the best out of our players and team.
That said this season,with 1 game to play,we’ve lost fewer games (14 vs 16)have a better goal difference(23 vs 21) and have 1 more point (75 vs 74)
I’ve, on the whole,enjoyed this season and look forward to us fighting for an automatic place next season.

Yes, I've really enjoyed this season too, although some of that is just the joy of being able to go to live football again after a couple of seasons of watching on ifollow.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I think the main thing is goals for and against. We've scored more goals than any other team in the league and we've conceded more than any other team in the top half of the table.

1st for goals scored and 13th for goals conceded makes it seem pretty obvious that we can afford to sacrifice some of the attacking side of the game for some defensive stability.

 

[TeamOX]

A midfield of Gorrin Brannagan and Kane in my opinion would of worked very well. Would of had the right balance. Gorrin brings the much needed physicality, robustness, and defensive awareness. Kane could float and control possession further up the field. Doesn’t really need to be said what CB would bring.

 

[Oufcrealist]

A midfield of Gorrin Brannagan and Kane in my opinion would of worked very well. Would of had the right balance. Gorrin brings the much needed physicality, robustness, and defensive awareness. Kane could float and control possession further up the field. Doesn’t really need to be said what CB would bring.

It would. But then you have to ask, why the hell didn't KR bring in a Gorrin type player in Jan when it was blindingly obvious we needed one to let Kane play further forward and be effective!?
Just one of KR'S squad building blunders!!

 

[Jolteon]

The number I've heard that Barnsley want is £600k - but that number was from before they were relegated. Whether they'll want more or less now, or whether they'll refuse to let him go to use him in their own L1 campaign I have no idea.

Personally, I don't think Kane is worth paying £600k for. That level of money buys you 2-3 really solid L1 players and I think we need to prioritise filling the defensive positions far more. We've got Henry, Bodin, McGuane and Smyth (and hopefully Brannagan) who can play CM, and the first 3 are all forward thinking, more attack minded midfielders, just like Kane. A proper CDM and a powerful box to box midfielder are far more important for this side than a Herbie Kane type player, as good as I think he is in CM.

 

[Scotchegg]

The number I've heard that Barnsley want is £600k - but that number was from before they were relegated. Whether they'll want more or less now, or whether they'll refuse to let him go to use him in their own L1 campaign I have no idea.

Personally, I don't think Kane is worth paying £600k for. That level of money buys you 2-3 really solid L1 players and I think we need to prioritise filling the defensive positions far more. We've got Henry, Bodin, McGuane and Smyth (and hopefully Brannagan) who can play CM, and the first 3 are all forward thinking, more attack minded midfielders, just like Kane. A proper CDM and a powerful box to box midfielder are far more important for this side than a Herbie Kane type player, as good as I think he is in CM.

£600k was the figure I heard at the beginning of the season.

However, I'm not sure that we'd get 2 or 3 really solid league 1 players for that money anymore. There's always bargains to be had, but often they come with a certain level of risk. If we don't sign Herbie then I'll be amazed if we don't pay a similar amount for the standard of player we want/need.

 

[horseman]

£600k was the figure I heard at the beginning of the season.

However, I'm not sure that we'd get 2 or 3 really solid league 1 players for that money anymore. There's always bargains to be had, but often they come with a certain level of risk. If we don't sign Herbie then I'll be amazed if we don't pay a similar amount for the standard of player we want/need.

Well it strikes me that people want or demand progress without really thinking things through. Those wanting or demanding Top 2 need to understand the cost of putting such a side together and even then you're still not guaranteed a thing which is something else that conveniently gets ignored.

 

[WuTang]

He will stay at Barnsley, they will play him higher up, in front of a natural defensive midfielder so he can run the game like he does best.

I don't think we'll cough up the 600k now, and I don't think Barnsley would sell anyway. Move onto other targets

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

He was asked to fulfill a role he was no good at due to Gorrin's injury. Barnsley paid Liverpool £3million I believe so he won't come cheap.

 

[horseman]

He was asked to fulfill a role he was no good at due to Gorrin's injury. Barnsley paid Liverpool £3million I believe so he won't come cheap.

1.2m wasn't it?

 

[holdsteady]

He was asked to fulfill a role he was no good at due to Gorrin's injury. Barnsley paid Liverpool £3million I believe so he won't come cheap.

Gorrin got injured before the January transfer window so that’s not completely true, he played from then on there because we refused to sign a like for like replacement.

 

[Jolteon]

£600k was the figure I heard at the beginning of the season.

However, I'm not sure that we'd get 2 or 3 really solid league 1 players for that money anymore. There's always bargains to be had, but often they come with a certain level of risk. If we don't sign Herbie then I'll be amazed if we don't pay a similar amount for the standard of player we want/need.

I hope we do spend a similar amount, but on a player who fills a gap we need filling rather than on a player who plays a similar style to Bodin, Henry and McGuane. I really like Kane, which probably didn't come off in my initial comments, I just think we need to invest big fees elsewhere first.

You're probably right that it's not 2-3 players nowadays tbh, but definitely a solid player and a younger, riskier signing for the money which I'd prefer (assuming they aren't both wingers!)

 

[horseman]

I would hope that as a club we are aware of his true capabilities and that we didn't cough up extra to have him sat as a DM without having already negotiated purchasing him for a following season for his true position as that would be odd.

Build the team around him and Cam would be my base point

 

[werthersoriginal]

Gorrin got injured before the January transfer window so that’s not completely true, he played from then on there because we refused to sign a like for like replacement.

Yes he played several games in his 'true position'. I didn't see them all but didn't think he was that amazing though he looked good against bad teams.