Transfer News 2022/23 Season Incoming Transfers and a few other things

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The question I have is about Brown. This seemed like a good logical permanent signing in the Summer. When Seddon was having a truly woeful time last season, Brown stepped into his shoes and played really well, whilst there were signs that his lack of pace could catch him out times at left back he did a decent solid job in that position. So what happened in pre-season for Seddon to jump back ahead of Brown? And let's not forget that Seddon by the end of the season was so bad Williams and Long were chosen ahead of him at LB. OK, I think we all wanted a good LB replacement rather than Brown fit in there to do a job, but surely Brown should have gone ahead of Seddon whilst that new player was found.
 
The question I have is about Brown. This seemed like a good logical permanent signing in the Summer. When Seddon was having a truly woeful time last season, Brown stepped into his shoes and played really well, whilst there were signs that his lack of pace could catch him out times at left back he did a decent solid job in that position. So what happened in pre-season for Seddon to jump back ahead of Brown? And let's not forget that Seddon by the end of the season was so bad Williams and Long were chosen ahead of him at LB. OK, I think we all wanted a good LB replacement rather than Brown fit in there to do a job, but surely Brown should have gone ahead of Seddon whilst that new player was found.
I think this ultimately comes down to the fact that Brown isn’t really a LB. He’s a CB who can do a job there.
 
Is that fair to say though?

Ruffels left us for a Championship side who had moments but overall a very good player for us. He was promptly replaced by Seddon who, by all accounts, was a good signing. Up until January he did very little wrong and for whatever reason he struggled after that so that’s only 6 months really that we’ve felt the need to improve there.

18 months ago, Long was arguably one of the best right backs in the division. I certainly wasn’t wanting him replaced so not quite sure what you mean by lacking for 3 years. We only have one RB so we do need another one. But on Saturday Long was absolutely solid. Did Barkhuizen do anything notable? He’s nothing special going forward but that’s not the priority.

We've also brought in 2 first-team ready CBs this year.

We lack in depth which needs addressing but to imply we’ve neglected the defensive positions for 3 years is an over exaggeration.
I agree completely with you regarding Long. In his best form, he is more than good enough to a promotion winning RB at this level.

Like every position, we just need someone to meaningfully challenge him. If it’s just a body, that won’t suffice.

LB first though. For heavens sake, LB first.
 
The question I have is about Brown. This seemed like a good logical permanent signing in the Summer. When Seddon was having a truly woeful time last season, Brown stepped into his shoes and played really well, whilst there were signs that his lack of pace could catch him out times at left back he did a decent solid job in that position. So what happened in pre-season for Seddon to jump back ahead of Brown? And let's not forget that Seddon by the end of the season was so bad Williams and Long were chosen ahead of him at LB. OK, I think we all wanted a good LB replacement rather than Brown fit in there to do a job, but surely Brown should have gone ahead of Seddon whilst that new player was found.

I don’t think many if anyone would be against us signing a quality left back & allowing Seddon to leave on loan.
 
I don’t think many if anyone would be against us signing a quality left back & allowing Seddon to leave on loan.
We only have one specialist left back so bringing one in to let him go isn't the answer either unless we are to consider Brown a LB and sign a CB?
 
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Just to be clear and rather than quote one post, i have solely referred to calibre of player we are targeting and things that can happen that delay or change a deal happening.
 
Whilst one or two on here appear to revel in our slow start to the season relating to signings, most haven’t so I’m surprised by the earlier comment.

An objective opinion in my view is that we went for quality, and regardless of whether this materialise before the window closes, we started the season short. That’s not panic, that’s a reasonable observation. It’s clear we have good owners, but not having at least a a team and a playable bench ready a couple of weeks before day one is not how a team should ideally be starting. Who and what the reasons are, few of us know. It’s not a blame game, but a review internally is needed to make sure next season we don’t make the same mistake twice (and have players fit, and happy with the systems we want to play).

Personally, despite the slow signings, I feel very positive about the club, and the football we are trying to play - maybe that’s related to watching Oxford in the days of Bill Asprey and others, it could be a lot worse!
 
I don’t think many if anyone would be against us signing a quality left back & allowing Seddon to leave on loan.
I would, because we need to stop the domino effect of “versatile” players dragging everybody else out of their best position. Brown is a centre back who can play left back if you have nobody else, but he shouldn’t be “the left back cover” while he’s also the only proper centre back cover, outside of a 17 year old (who is now apparently being viewed as a potential right back) and a 36 year old semi-retired coach.

If whoever is first choice left back is unavailable and Brown has to play there, and then either centre back gets injured or suspended, suddenly you’re shuffling three, or maybe even all four defensive spots around. You’ve changed pretty much the entire back line and potentially not one player is in their preferred / best position. This has happened multiple times over the last two seasons so it isn’t rare or unlikely to happen at some point, and it costs us every time we have to hobble through it.

As an aside, there has been some quite spectacular rewriting of history to justify the lack of defensive depth over the last month or two (not from you, but from others), particularly regarding the L2 promotion season where it has been claimed we had no real cover. That is patently untrue. We had two out and out left backs, Skarz and Jordan Evans (who at the time was the Wales U21 left back) and the only reason Ruffels ever played there for the final game against Wycombe, and I think possibly the second half at Carlisle, was because both of them got injured simultaneously with a few weeks to go, which is a total freak. But even then, Evans was still playing right up until Newport away on April 19th, and Skarz was then patched up to start against Hartlepool and Carlisle. Long was also the right back cover for both Baldock and Kenny, having played ten games there in League Two the season before, plus half a dozen the year before that under Wilder / Waddock, so he was young but an established first team squad member with 16 league and FA Cup games to his name, plus a brief loan spell one division below. We had two full backs on each side, regardless of how many appearances any of them actually made, plus three senior centre backs in Wright, Dunkley and Mullins. A young Robbie Cundy was the fourth choice in case of emergency, which is a role Golding could fill this season, but it would need to be stipulated that he’s the fourth CB, that he’s ready to play if circumstances require, and that he isn’t also the right back cover. Which is crackers, btw, but that’s for another time.

We need seven players to cover the back four spots, plus (not including) Golding as a potential eighth / fourth centre back, including two dedicated full backs on each side. We still need two more bodies - a right back and either a left back or another centre back if Brown is going to focus on playing there - without a single defender leaving.
 
I think this ultimately comes down to the fact that Brown isn’t really a LB. He’s a CB who can do a job there.

As opposed to Seddon who can’t do a job there?

It’s a fair question as to how Seddon has got himself back into favour, he was well out of the picture by the end of last season.
 
We only have one specialist left back so bringing one in to let him go isn't the answer either unless we are to consider Brown a LB and sign a CB?

Is Steve Seddon a specialist Left Back though? I'm not making a snide remark about the use of the term 'specialist' - it's a genuine question.

He's only 24, has had multiple loans at three clubs in L1/L2, a handful of appearances for Brum in The Championship and a season with us (his only full season of professional football with one club).

His suitability as a Left Back for us is questionable to say the least, and I believe he was deployed as a Wing-Back during his various spells at Wimbledon.
May well have been an out-and-out LB for the others, but only for half seasons at most and the only side that was any decent was the Pompey team we beat in the play-offs in 19/20. Even then, they seemed to play some sort of 4-2-3-1 as per the Kenny Jackett way - so did he get more protection? One of those '2' was typically Tom Naylor - if we had that calibre of player at CDM maybe that formation would work for us too?

The long and the short of it is that he's still relatively young, having only had one full season with one club (us) and has been used in a variety of formations, sometimes clearly not as a Left Back (and in others only when afforded the protection of 2x Holding/Defensive Midfielders).

Perhaps he isn't a Left Back after all?
 
We don’t need anyone yet, we’ve been told by the happy clappers there is plenty of time in the window to recruit the right players, so let’s wait and see what happens at the end of August.

Or perhaps the Happy clappers have finally realised after the Derby game that the so called negative posters were right all along, and so far have been.
 
I would, because we need to stop the domino effect of “versatile” players dragging everybody else out of their best position. Brown is a centre back who can play left back if you have nobody else, but he shouldn’t be “the left back cover” while he’s also the only proper centre back cover, outside of a 17 year old (who is now apparently being viewed as a potential right back) and a 36 year old semi-retired coach.

If whoever is first choice left back is unavailable and Brown has to play there, and then either centre back gets injured or suspended, suddenly you’re shuffling three, or maybe even all four defensive spots around. You’ve changed pretty much the entire back line and potentially not one player is in their preferred / best position. This has happened multiple times over the last two seasons so it isn’t rare or unlikely to happen at some point, and it costs us every time we have to hobble through it.

As an aside, there has been some quite spectacular rewriting of history to justify the lack of defensive depth over the last month or two (not from you, but from others), particularly regarding the L2 promotion season where it has been claimed we had no real cover. That is patently untrue. We had two out and out left backs, Skarz and Jordan Evans (who at the time was the Wales U21 left back) and the only reason Ruffels ever played there for the final game against Wycombe, and I think possibly the second half at Carlisle, was because both of them got injured simultaneously with a few weeks to go, which is a total freak. But even then, Evans was still playing right up until Newport away on April 19th, and Skarz was then patched up to start against Hartlepool and Carlisle. Long was also the right back cover for both Baldock and Kenny, having played ten games there in League Two the season before, plus half a dozen the year before that under Wilder / Waddock, so he was young but an established first team squad member with 16 league and FA Cup games to his name, plus a brief loan spell one division below. We had two full backs on each side, regardless of how many appearances any of them actually made, plus three senior centre backs in Wright, Dunkley and Mullins. A young Robbie Cundy was the fourth choice in case of emergency, which is a role Golding could fill this season, but it would need to be stipulated that he’s the fourth CB, that he’s ready to play if circumstances require, and that he isn’t also the right back cover. Which is crackers, btw, but that’s for another time.

We need seven players to cover the back four spots, plus (not including) Golding as a potential eighth / fourth centre back, including two dedicated full backs on each side. We still need two more bodies - a right back and either a left back or another centre back if Brown is going to focus on playing there - without a single defender leaving.
Yep, proper squad management and planning under MApp.
 
Or perhaps the Happy clappers have finally realised after the Derby game that the so called negative posters were right all along, and so far have been.
Not sure a 90s house band would really care one way or the other, although looking at the tracks on this single @Scotchegg needs to get a copy for the positivity bus...

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