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Having watched it back, Brown was at fault, but it wasn’t just him.

McNally & Moore are marking the SAME player at one point, and Brown has drifted across, without even checking behind him, if he had, he would’ve seen the danger, and could’ve called for Moore to come away from the player he and McNally were BOTH marking, and Moore could’ve covered the player in the middle, and Brown could’ve then gone out to cover the player who was in acres of space behind him.

Poor communication.

There was also zero support or tracking back down the left from Whyte, who was currently playing on the left at that point.

But it’s the usual defensive shambles that always occurs and usually ends up with someone in acres of space, with all the time in the world to pick their spot.

It’s a combination of square pegs in round holes, no settled defensive unit used to playing together, due to poor recruitment and poor tactics, and poor coaching methods.

Today simply sums up what we’ve been like under KR these last 4 years: Good going forward, even though we do need multiple chances per goal, but atrocious defensively.
So what your saying is,
Moore was out of position his man who recieved the ball in front of a open goal, should have been left.
And that’s Browns fault
A side playing a 4 should never end up man for man. Said before full backs should tuck in as cover for centre half’s when the balls on the opposite side, wide man takes on the full backs role.
McNally and Moore should of dealt with their own men with Brown as cover.
Not his fault others down the line didn’t do their job, he’s was left to deal with 2 as Moore’s man was the first threat to goal.
To be fair to McNally, Moore and Brown they all did their jobs, shame others didn’t.
 
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Out of interest, lets say it becomes mathematically impossible by next Tuesday evening and the board pulled the trigger on Wednesday morning, who realistically could you see us going for ? I’m a massive Robinson fan and don’t want him gone although I do accept missing out can’t go on indefinitely. I’d give him another season with the remit of minimum the play offs and one more season after that to have achieved promotion - so two more seasons maximum to get us up.

I’m not sure any of the teams who will go up this season have a better manager than Robinson, I look at them all and not sure I’d swap any of them except maybe Warne at Rotherham. For all those who think his time is up where exactly would we go right now for someone who is a) attainable and b) better ?
Out of contract

Lee Johnson should be on the list, ultimately sacked because he didn't want to sign Defoe and his players giving up at Bolton where they lost 6-0. Sunderland were looking like auto places earlier this season and with a more relaxed fanbase and board I reckon he could get us up.

Darren Ferguson , got posh promoted out of this league and whenever I see us play posh they played good football too.

Others who would require a buy out

Michael Duff (Cheltenham), they've took 4 points from us this season as well as from other top teams with probably bottom 8 budget.

Lee Bowyer (Birmingham) already took a Karl's side up the following season.

There is probably alot more candidates but they are the ones who first come to my mind.
 
When people say we missed loads of chances yesterday, apart from the long range shot first half and Brown’s header what other good chances did we have or their keeper having to make saves?
 
Out of interest, lets say it becomes mathematically impossible by next Tuesday evening and the board pulled the trigger on Wednesday morning, who realistically could you see us going for ? I’m a massive Robinson fan and don’t want him gone although I do accept missing out can’t go on indefinitely. I’d give him another season with the remit of minimum the play offs and one more season after that to have achieved promotion - so two more seasons maximum to get us up.

I’m not sure any of the teams who will go up this season have a better manager than Robinson, I look at them all and not sure I’d swap any of them except maybe Warne at Rotherham. For all those who think his time is up where exactly would we go right now for someone who is a) attainable and b) better ?
Paul Warne
 
One point from the last twelve on offer tells us everything, we aren’t good enough to get into the play offs, we could and should have won all three of the last three game but got no points, who gets the blame?
I don’t know who one of the pundits on WATG was yesterday but I’m glad he wasn’t in the car with us while I was spitting nails, he said he was happy being where we are, I don’t go to game happy with a loss or as also rans and nor do the ten blokes I go up there with, his attitude stank , I’m still Fuckin seething this morning.
 
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I’m not sure any of the teams who will go up this season have a better manager than Robinson, I look at them all and not sure I’d swap any of them except maybe Warne at Rotherham. For all those who think his time is up where exactly would we go right now for someone who is a) attainable and b) better ?
if it was to happen, it would be up to the Board to work this one out.
Many football manager appointments don't work which is the risk.
Blackpool got it right with Critchley, whether Ipswich have it right with McKenna will be seen next season.
Our best appointment after 11 years of getting it horribly wrong, was the pretty unknown Chris Wilder.
 
Its going to be difficult but as of today we’re still in a position to get to the play offs.
He has his faults but I’d still stick with Robinson.
Duncan Ferguson is one I’d like to see considered sometime.
 
Out of contract

Lee Johnson should be on the list, ultimately sacked because he didn't want to sign Defoe and his players giving up at Bolton where they lost 6-0. Sunderland were looking like auto places earlier this season and with a more relaxed fanbase and board I reckon he could get us up.

Darren Ferguson , got posh promoted out of this league and whenever I see us play posh they played good football too.

Others who would require a buy out

Michael Duff (Cheltenham), they've took 4 points from us this season as well as from other top teams with probably bottom 8 budget.

Lee Bowyer (Birmingham) already took a Karl's side up the following season.

There is probably alot more candidates but they are the ones who first come to my mind.
If Karl did leave or get fired I’m sure he’d be replaced by someone less known, not an old hack coming round for another go.
 
There's some crazy knee jerk stuff going on tonight!

Sykes never plays again.
KR's future might rest on Forde getting a new deal.
Craig Short has to go.
Sam Long 3/10 today.

A get everyone is frustrated and I'm not going to force my positivity on anyone. But a week ago everything was looking pretty good. We've put in 3 performances that would normally get 7/9 points. We got zip of course, but we're talking very fine margins.

If by some miracle we get 4 wins, we could still make the playoffs. Throw all our luck into those games and we may just still be walking out in the Championship come August.

Will it happen? Almost certainly not. But some perspective is needed.
Isn’t it strange, Scotchers, that you label any criticism of a performance as a “knee-jerk” reaction, thus demeaning its validity?! There is plenty of justification for thinking this is turning into a disappointing season, and that, ultimately, that is the fault of our manager and his wayward transfer dealings. Yes, we’ve played good football and it’s been, for the most part, thoroughly entertaining (and, after all, that’s why we turn up every week) but we’re going to be left with the lingering thought that, if KR wasn’t so stubborn and intransigent, we would still be in the promotion places. Yes, he is clearly responsible for the entertaining football, but in three seasons it is disappointing that we have failed to progress. Next season we will be competing with four of the teams currently above us, the championship relegated clubs, a resurgent Ipswich, to name a few. Somehow we seem to have missed our best chance this year …. Well, we’ll see….
 
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We pretty much had our best team out there yesterday , played well enough , but still lost. It’s the end of the road for promotion.

Ciaron Brown must be signed. We haven’t got enough big and strong players.

Holland had a decent game; he seems to have bulked up.

Long was dreadful.Worst game for two or three years.

Stevens kicking is all over the shop.

Ref was good.

Sunderland pretty colourless outfit, well drilled though and had a better keeper.

There is going to be a big changing of the guard in the close season. With so many loan players going back and contracts expiring we can’t actually afford to sell McNally from a squad building/continuity perspective.

Big picture. Robinson has performed to budget and we are effectively at the limit of where we can get to in the pyramid.(Fringes of playoffs.) To get further - and stated aim of top 30 club- we need our new ground. It’s going to take a few more years. Be patient.

It’s been a most entertaining season. So to
those naysayers out there be careful what you wish for.

Sacking the manager is just nonsense talk.
 
We’ve got no board ratified by the EFL so who’s going to appoint the next man?
As far as I can see the share holdings are not ratified ..the board members have been in place for some time. If your reasoning was correct then the board cannot fire KR either but presumably that is Tiger's prerogative as Chair in any case.
 
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We pretty much had our best team out there yesterday , played well enough , but still lost. It’s the end of the road for promotion.

Ciaron Brown must be signed. We haven’t got enough big and strong players.

Holland had a decent game; he seems to have bulked up.

Long was dreadful.Worst game for two or three years.

Stevens kicking is all over the shop.

Ref was good.

Sunderland pretty colourless outfit, well drilled though and had a better keeper.

There is going to be a big changing of the guard in the close season. With so many loan players going back and contracts expiring we can’t actually afford to sell McNally from a squad building/continuity perspective.

Big picture. Robinson has performed to budget and we are effectively at the limit of where we can get to in the pyramid.(Fringes of playoffs.) To get further - and stated aim of top 30 club- we need our new ground. It’s going to take a few more years. Be patient.

It’s been a most entertaining season. So to
those naysayers out there be careful what you wish for.

Sacking the manager is just nonsense talk.
At our limit without a new ground? Really? No doubt Stratfield Brake has the potential to massively help the club kick on, but our current situation in no way prevents us taking that next step.
 
If Karl did leave or get fired I’m sure he’d be replaced by someone less known, not an old hack coming round for another go.

Karl was an old hack coming round for another go, have you forgotten about his time at mk and Charlton?
 
Karl was an old hack coming round for another go, have you forgotten about his time at mk and Charlton?
The ways to get promotion seem to be: have a huge budget and keep changing manager till one gets it right - that hasn’t worked yet for Sunderland or Ipswich; get relegated from the championship and keep most of your team; or simply find an unknown guy who is a miracle worker. That's worked for Luton, Blackpool, etc but is the hardest to get right.
 
So what your saying is,
Moore was out of position his man who recieved the ball in front of a open goal, should have been left.
And that’s Browns fault
A side playing a 4 should never end up man for man. Said before full backs should tuck in as cover for centre half’s when the balls on the opposite side, wide man takes on the full backs role.
McNally and Moore should of dealt with their own men with Brown as cover.
Not his fault others down the line didn’t do their job, he’s was left to deal with 2 as Moore’s man was the first threat to goal.
To be fair to McNally, Moore and Brown they all did their jobs, shame others didn’t.
Very bizarre post.

If you'd actually read my post properly, you'd see I clearly stated that even though Brown was at fault, he wasn't the only one!

I clearly stated that McNally and Moore were both marking the same player, which was their fault, Moore was ball watching, and drifted too far over to McNally's man, meaning that Moore's man was then unmarked, and that if Moore came away, and covered that player that Brown was now, understandably drifting inside to cover, then that would've freed up Brown to cover that player behind him, who eventually had all the time in the world to pick his spot and score, at that point that was Browns fault, for not communicating with Moore.

I also clearly stated that Whyte or even Brannagan, who were both playing on the left of midfield and attack, should've tracked back to provide support for Brown, so even though he was drifting inside to cover the player in the middle, the backtracking player could've covered the player behind him.

I don't rate Brown, I've made that very clear, but at NO POINT have I solely blamed him for that goal, I clearly stated that while he made his own mistakes, so did others.

It was a collective shambles, that actually started higher up the pitch on the opposite side to which we ended up conceding the goal, Sunderland sliced through us like a hot knife through butter, from front to back, which has actually happened on multiple occasions this season, and ALL of our defenders have been guilty of poor positioning, ball watching, and poor communication, multiple times this season.

I guess that's what happens when you don't bring in enough defenders in the transfer windows, and end up with patched up defences, and no defensive midfield cover, for the entire season.
 
Exactly what I thought, PRB, on pretty much every count
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We pretty much had our best team out there yesterday , played well enough , but still lost. It’s the end of the road for promotion.
Our deficiencies wouldn't have been solved by playing anyone else available (unless counting unavailable Gorrin, Baldock, Browne etc)
Ciaron Brown must be signed. We haven’t got enough big and strong players.
I thought he was outstanding, and whatever he says I was more impressed with him at left back than I have been at CB. I've no idea what game those who were knocking him were watching.
Holland had a decent game; he seems to have bulked up.
Ditto. In the first half he was almost untouchable for a while and kept the ball alive again and again - made a huge difference to our overall performance. Second half not really, but KR said before the game he would have to take him off after 60, and he did.
Long was dreadful.Worst game for two or three years.
Couldn't seem to get to the ball, or pass to our players or play it into space.
Stevens kicking is all over the shop.
I try not to swear in front of my 13 year old, but those repeated (and predictable) sliced shanks when under slight pressure were horrific.
Ref was good.
Lack of fuss was nice.
It’s been a most entertaining season. So to
those naysayers out there be careful what you wish for.
I know I'm an armchair fan by necessity, and I hate crawling into bed at 1am having seen us lose, but this has been the most entertaining season I remember in a long time. It's the first season where I've got up for the 3:45 am wednesday morning KOs on a few occasions.
Sacking the manager is just nonsense talk.
I do wonder how people survive in life with such a high bar for the definition of failure.
 
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