Away Match Day Thread +++ 07/08/2021 L1 Cambridge United v OUFC +++

I only listened to the game, so can't offer any insight as to players, tactical decisions and whatnot. But what I will say is that from the way we took the lead and controlled the match from the start of the second half, we should have won this game. And I don't think it takes an expert to work out that Agyei offers us more than Winnall does. For some reason Karl wants to hoik this lad out onto the wing to play cameos, when he's shown on the pitch that he's good enough to play as a genuine centre-forward through his goalscoring and linkup play.

I think it's the point of a forum to have views aired that are different to your own, but I'm really questioning the motivations of Scotchers right now. Are you blindly naïve and think the club can do no wrong, or are you genuinely suggesting that any criticism pointed towards the manager for either his lack of tactical ability, or his lack of foresight to see that Agyei is clearly more capable at this current time than Winnall, is tantamount to thinking he should be sacked one game into the new season? I would actually be genuinely interested to see you rebut some genuine criticisms for once rather than cherry picking the extreme opinions you respond to in an attempt to seem rational and reasonable.
 
Very disappointed. That we didn't lose, and the rebirth of the away day, makes things okay. Not a disaster but an opportunity missed.

Felt like a continuation of last season, just too much fannying about at times. Not killer enough.

Although Henry/Sykes/Brannagan can be effective as a trio, they always look like they could be 'found out' at any second.

Holland, Agyei, Cooper still to be glimpsed. Our attacking options are genuinely terrifying.
 
As I said previously, the introduction of winnall to replace Taylor in the 65th minute was pre-planned. Why on earth could he be expected to do anything that Taylor couldn't. To stick with a pre-determined plan at that point in the game was ludicrous when it was obvious that an Aygei type of player was needed. This shows that KR's reading of the game has not progressed from last seasons " stick-in-the-mud" attitude.
 
Predictions?

Only one I can do with confidence is that our Bazzer will spam this thread furious with every missed pass, mishit shot, dubious call from the ref and shithousery from the opponents. Kip will either moan or post veiled criticism if we win. ConcreteBob will comment on every Kip post. Malc will be posting ‘YES’ before every goal has gone in as his line to the stadium is faster than everyone else’s.

Looking forward to doing this all over again with the various reprobates that frequent this forum!
....and the whole post-match debate will be about how everything in the world would have been better if only Dan Agyei had come on...
 
I see the oracle has descended to give us all a footballing lesson.

It's the stuff Winnall does when you're not looking that made him the right choice yesterday. Poetry in motion in his off the ball movement. Tactically not scoring any goals for the greater good of the game.

KR is god. How dare you question his powah.
 
It’s funny how people see things differently, I guess that is why we all get so passionate about the game and club we love.

I thought we were solid, if unspectacular throughout the game.

Once Long comes in to give you natural stability on the right and we get Gorrin breaking up the play in CDM we will be ok.

I agree that Agyei should have been given an opportunity yesterday. During the 2nd half for all the half chances we created I thought we played a fair bit in front of their back line and ask any defender, that is where they want the attackers to be. Dan gives you that directness in his running and has the ability to turn defenders. I actually thought Winnall was good when he came on and played a lovely ball to Whyte in particular. I think it’s important that SW doesn’t become some pantomime villain to supporters. While he plays for OUFC, he deserves our full support. He might just come good - his record would suggest as much.

I’m in the camp of wanting more physicality in the midfield if we can. For me, Henry would miss out and McGuane would start. Sykes (penalty aside) was progressive in his play and looked to be positive. We all have moments of madness, don’t we?

A word to the supporters, utter brilliant turn out and atmosphere pre match and first half. My only gripe was the ‘don’t take me home’ song….it’s a no from me.
 
It’s funny how people see things differently, I guess that is why we all get so passionate about the game and club we love.

I thought we were solid, if unspectacular throughout the game.

Once Long comes in to give you natural stability on the right and we get Gorrin breaking up the play in CDM we will be ok.

I agree that Agyei should have been given an opportunity yesterday. During the 2nd half for all the half chances we created I thought we played a fair bit in front of their back line and ask any defender, that is where they want the attackers to be. Dan gives you that directness in his running and has the ability to turn defenders. I actually thought Winnall was good when he came on and played a lovely ball to Whyte in particular. I think it’s important that SW doesn’t become some pantomime villain to supporters. While he plays for OUFC, he deserves our full support. He might just come good - his record would suggest as much.

I’m in the camp of wanting more physicality in the midfield if we can. For me, Henry would miss out and McGuane would start. Sykes (penalty aside) was progressive in his play and looked to be positive. We all have moments of madness, don’t we?

A word to the supporters, utter brilliant turn out and atmosphere pre match and first half. My only gripe was the ‘don’t take me home’ song….it’s a no from me.
Pretty much how I saw the game. Games are going to be very tight this season, so when you have opportunities to go 0-2 up they need to be taken. If Whyte hadn’t made a mess of his and squared it to two players waiting for a tap in, then game would have been over. But this is football and why we watch!
 
It's a bit pathetic to refer to Sam Winnall as sicknote. Last season with the stop/start approach and back to back games meant that far more players than normal had injuries or fitness concerns. Do we get rid of Sam Long because he had three layoffs? Or Cam Bran for a freak injury? Winnall did nothing wrong when he came on, and with better service he could have put the game to bed.
You really have come up with a blinder here. Possibly one of your weirdest posts yet.

Just wow.

More to the point, Winnall (sicknote) has done pretty much zero since being here to suggest ever pulling on a yellow shirt again.

Even you, the guy who rated Kelly, could surely see this.

But no.

I can only assume you are either a club employee, or a troll.
 
Great to be back, I thought Williams looked lively as well as others mentioned already. Having slept on it, yep a couple of points dropped … and as with others I’d have liked to have seen Agyei… but I saw enough to give me confidence that we’ll challenge again. As for Cambridge they’ll struggle but have to say the Irish Messi 🤣can still stroke it about a bit at nearly 40!
 
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haven’t read through this thread so apologies if it’s been mentioned…

Jack Stevens kicking!! The lad needs to sort it out sharpish
 
haven’t read through this thread so apologies if it’s been mentioned…

Jack Stevens kicking!! The lad needs to sort it out sharpish
Was probably the worst I've seen him kick. If he can't hit it down the line accurately, then kick it down the middle... at least it should end up in play!

He was also lucky to get away with one quite early on, when he got tackled dithering on the ball.
 
Stuck in a wi fi black spot working yestetday! (Near Chesham)..yet managed to 'watch' the game on rad ox via my car radio


Based on rad ox coverage coupled with the opinions of a couple of U's fans who called in on the way back from Cambridge.


An away draw was less than Oufc deserved. Chances created not converted ( dejavu?)..Winnall did little after replacing Taylor..... The new signings looked decent....when KR has a fully fit squad to select from draws like yesterdays could end up being wins....positive note Oufc didnt lose the opening game ....negative note Oufc only drew the opening game
 
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It’s funny how people see things differently, I guess that is why we all get so passionate about the game and club we love.

I thought we were solid, if unspectacular throughout the game.

Once Long comes in to give you natural stability on the right and we get Gorrin breaking up the play in CDM we will be ok.

I agree that Agyei should have been given an opportunity yesterday. During the 2nd half for all the half chances we created I thought we played a fair bit in front of their back line and ask any defender, that is where they want the attackers to be. Dan gives you that directness in his running and has the ability to turn defenders. I actually thought Winnall was good when he came on and played a lovely ball to Whyte in particular. I think it’s important that SW doesn’t become some pantomime villain to supporters. While he plays for OUFC, he deserves our full support. He might just come good - his record would suggest as much.

I’m in the camp of wanting more physicality in the midfield if we can. For me, Henry would miss out and McGuane would start. Sykes (penalty aside) was progressive in his play and looked to be positive. We all have moments of madness, don’t we?

A word to the supporters, utter brilliant turn out and atmosphere pre match and first half. My only gripe was the ‘don’t take me home’ song….it’s a no from me.
I agree with most of that, McGuane, Gorrin and Long would certainly strengthen the side.

As for Winnall, I don't think anyone would argue he has ability, and knows how to score, but he's been left broken by too many injuries, leaving him way off the pace and lacking sharpness, which is why he's more often than not completely ineffective when he plays, and the occasional nice pass is not enough at this level, he needs to do more, and for me Agyei is light years ahead of him, in terms of speed, energy and goal threat, and should always be picked ahead of him.

My concern is that Robbo said a couple of times last season, that he thinks Brannagan could go "to the very top" in the CDM role, which concerns me that he views Cam as a genuine option in that position, but I feel it wastes so much of his talent playing there. He should be playing higher up the pitch, providing extra bite, and goal threat.

For me, Gorrin is our current CDM, and until genuine competition is brought in for that position, Brannagan should only ever be played there in an emergency situation.

I actually thought Forde put in some very good displays in CDM last season, and would rather see him play there than Brannagan, who simply has to be deployed higher up the pitch.

As for Sykes, it was a silly mistake to give away the penalty, but a forgivable one, like you say, it happens.

What concerns me more about him, is what I've always said, he's too flimsy and lightweight for league one football, and needs to get in the gym and bulk himself up a bit, and for all his talent and skilful touches, he doesn't score goals, or provide assists, and offers very little in terms of tackling and defensive ability, so although there are some who think he's worthy of a starting place, for me, he's better used as a sub, to bring on against tiring legs, when more spaces will open up, for him to exploit, but from the start, I feel he weakens the midfield.

Sadly, I'm starting to feel the same about Henry. He struggled last season, and is becoming more and more absent in games. Maybe it's his age, but I also feel he's being played out of position, he is not a midfielder, he's a wide player, or a number 10, and what he lacks in pace in those positions, he more than makes up for in talent, vision and scoring ability. But if he's not gonna be used in his best positions, then maybe like Sykes, he's better used from the bench, to exploit tiring legs.

A midfield three of Gorrin holding, and Brannagan and McGuane, with a forward three of Whyte on the RIGHT, and a naturally left sided attacker like Bodin on the left, Taylor through the middle, and Long returning at RB, and Agyei being given plenty of chances up front, through the middle, and out wide, both from the bench and from the start, and we would cause MAJOR problems for any side this season, and hopefully it's just a case of getting those players up to speed, after a disjointed preseason, before unleashing them.

And just for the record, as I know Scotchers can't stand it when anyone says ANYTHING critical about Robbo, the players or the board, as I've said before, I will always lavish praise upon them when they've done well, and always have, but I will not shy away from criticising them when I feel they've made costly mistakes, and I think I speak for most people on here when I say that.
 
90 minutes into the season and it's Agyei or bust??
It’s not 90mins, it’s nearly 3 seasons. Agyei was starting to look good towards the end of the season, had the bit between his teeth and it most fans opinion is above Winnall in the pecking order.

Winnall has not produced the goods we hoped for really since he’s been here, and I personally don’t think he will (hope I’m proved wrong).

In all honesty, I’m not a great fan of Agyei either as he seems to only be able to produce for 15-20mins, but when a game needs changing I’d rather select Agyei then Winnall. And I also think we’re still another decent/consistent striker short of being a promotional team, but may be, just may be if Agyei was given a chance (10 straight games minimum), he could be the answer.

And I don’t give a s**t what happens in training as it’s on the pitch in the league games (not Mickey Mouse cups) that I’ll truly judge a player on.
 
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I’m in the camp of wanting more physicality in the midfield if we can. For me, Henry would miss out and McGuane would start. Sykes (penalty aside) was progressive in his play and looked to be positive. We all have moments of madness, don’t we?

This indeed.

I said before the season that what we miss is physicality in the middle. We have talent there but sometimes what you need is a brute who can boss that area. It’s not a KR thing to do though and that’s where my question marks remain over the manager.

He’s good but he needs to prove he’s great. 600 games as coach, 10+ seasons managing now and still just the one promotion. One season at Championship level with every other match he’s managed being with League 1 clubs. He needs to prove he’s got more in the tank although the evidence suggests that League 1 may be KR’s level. There’s plenty I like about KR but fear he misses that X-factor to take us to the next level. I feel that some of his contemporaries like Appleton, Warne and Critchley have that edge over him.
 
It’s funny how people see things differently, I guess that is why we all get so passionate about the game and club we love.

I thought we were solid, if unspectacular throughout the game.

Once Long comes in to give you natural stability on the right and we get Gorrin breaking up the play in CDM we will be ok.

I agree that Agyei should have been given an opportunity yesterday. During the 2nd half for all the half chances we created I thought we played a fair bit in front of their back line and ask any defender, that is where they want the attackers to be. Dan gives you that directness in his running and has the ability to turn defenders. I actually thought Winnall was good when he came on and played a lovely ball to Whyte in particular. I think it’s important that SW doesn’t become some pantomime villain to supporters. While he plays for OUFC, he deserves our full support. He might just come good - his record would suggest as much.

I’m in the camp of wanting more physicality in the midfield if we can. For me, Henry would miss out and McGuane would start. Sykes (penalty aside) was progressive in his play and looked to be positive. We all have moments of madness, don’t we?

A word to the supporters, utter brilliant turn out and atmosphere pre match and first half. My only gripe was the ‘don’t take me home’ song….it’s a no from me.
Great post. One thing I would say about Sykes though is he does seem to have that moment of madness constantly in him. Is it because he feels under pressure to prove himself? Maybe Agyei would also feel a bit more relaxed if he felt more ‘believed in’? Obviously just conjecture on my part as an outside observer.

As others have said, a good solid start and, over all, we were the better team. We do seem to lack the ability to go for the throat when on top though and end up going into our shell and inviting trouble. Not the first time thats happened.
 
Having just watch the highlights on iFollow, I feel Sykes was actually a bit unfortunate for the penalty. Facing his own goal, the ball breaks across him and as it goes past, he endeavours to control it. Behind him arriving at speed is Digby, who simply runs into and over Sykes' leg, who could not have seen him coming to avoid the contact. You could almost make a case that Digby was (a) tackling from behind and (b) reckless in the challenge as he was unable to stop himself from running into Sykes.

Definitely a modern day case of a penalty "won" rather than a poorly timed challenge or deliberate foul play to give one away.
 
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