Home Match Day Thread 30/10/2021 L1: OUFC v Morecambe

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bazzer9461 said:
Owner investment? 🤣🤣 don’t make me laugh, they breached FFP rules heavily 2 years running with an owner who was prepared to pay the overpayments one the FFP in fines, can’t see our new owners want ing to do the same it was an estimated 20 million pounds in fines he had to pay.
Yes they could do the same and yes with that investment we could have an almost complete new team to achieve what Bournemouth achieved.
But the draw back is if he pulls out and leaves the club with the debt who would want to take over a club with a very high financial burden. The investment the new ( when they’re ratified ) owners will invest in a new ground that’s going to cost somewhere more than 30 million but will their be significant investment in the playing side ie a few million to Alger the players we will need to be competitive in the championship bid we can get there.
Don’t think that’s to much to ask and I’m sure these new owners to be will enlighten us with their plans as soon as an announcement is made.
Finally if Max Denim sells Bournemouth and leaves the debt with the club unless they can find someone willing enough to pay the debt and still have a debt a high one at that then more fool them.
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The stadium will cost significantly more than ÂŁ30m and has been entirely budgeted for.

The investment in the playing squad is already there. But, as you keep referencing, we can only spend relevant to our revenue. That's why we have to sell players, so that we can reinvest into more future assets. The more that we progress, the more we are able to reinvest and the more we grow. This will be sustainable growth not quick meaningless money being thrown at the team.

You dismiss the "plans" but is it too difficult to see that if we were promoted this season, and it's far from impossible, then next season is Championship survival. The following season building again to lower mid table. Then midtable and established Championship side with realistic goals of remaining a top 30 club.

Whilst this is happening, we have an organic growth within the fan base supported by days like today, greater community engagement and on the pitch performances. There's absolutely no reason why we couldn't be looking at 10k+ crowds even at the Kassam. Match the growth on the pitch with a new, purpose built, community orientated stadium and an extra couple of thousand fans could easily add to the growth already seen.

You seem determined to look for reasons why things will fail at Oxford, but won't for one second consider the counter argument even when it is so much more rational.
 
For once Baz I totally agree with you. Yes there fans have had 1 hell of a journey, a journey that we can only dream about, but if their backers pull out they will plummet like a stone through the leagues. Now from the sound of things our new owners want to build us from the bottom up, make us sustainable so that would never happen to us. We'll financially at least. Hopefully those that are ITK and I'm not 1 of them are correct. I really hope they are. Surely its not to much to ask for a ground with 4 sides.
 
Scotchegg said:
The stadium will cost significantly more than ÂŁ30m and has been entirely budgeted for.

The investment in the playing squad is already there. But, as you keep referencing, we can only spend relevant to our revenue. That's why we have to sell players, so that we can reinvest into more future assets. The more that we progress, the more we are able to reinvest and the more we grow. This will be sustainable growth not quick meaningless money being thrown at the team.

You dismiss the "plans" but is it too difficult to see that if we were promoted this season, and it's far from impossible, then next season is Championship survival. The following season building again to lower mid table. Then midtable and established Championship side with realistic goals of remaining a top 30 club.

Whilst this is happening, we have an organic growth within the fan base supported by days like today, greater community engagement and on the pitch performances. There's absolutely no reason why we couldn't be looking at 10k+ crowds even at the Kassam. Match the growth on the pitch with a new, purpose built, community orientated stadium and an extra couple of thousand fans could easily add to the growth already seen.

You seem determined to look for reasons why things will fail at Oxford, but won't for one second consider the counter argument even when it is so much more rational.
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Of course the stadium will cost more than 30 million. If as many believe it’s going to be Stratfield brake there will be the millions needed for at least two other access roads and the cost incurred for the various shut downs of frieze way. So yes a lot more than 30 million will be needed.

I agree selling and reinvesting in players to achieve championship football will probably happen long after you and I have gone but if that’s the way it has to be then so be it and my grandchildren can tell there children/grandchildren its been a hell of a long journey started with a 5 year journey over 2 decades ago but we finally got to the championship.

How long have we been trying to get good crowds? When that god awful man Nick Merrybtook over and promised we would own the ground in 3 years no thought crack on I couldn’t see it as I felt admins found to be right that he was nothing more than a spiv.

I did think with Ian Lenagan we might have something but that went in the flute following public fans forum when he said we are on a 5 year journey for the second test running.

Now with Daryl Eales saying he would need help if we got to the championship I though no not with him.

Now Tiger was a different kettle of fish especially n with the the various wealthy members on the board, but when Thohir left to work with the Indonesian government I thought they would be it.
But when he came back and back in March of this year the rumour started over the takeover got me thinking great now it’s going to happen and people on here and FB were all having kittens saying we’re moving this is happening and planning permission will be a doddle but it’s not as easy as that.

I would love nothing more than to see us a successful club, and yes it takes time and a lot of us yourself included have been waiting a very long time. So yes I’m sceptical and will find negatives which others seem to think won’t happen or shouldn’t happen, but I’ve got news for everyone unfortunately there will be.
 
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Wandering Yellow said:
was it also a tenner for morecambe fans today?
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Yes, it was also ÂŁ10 for them.

I'm pleased the club got such a good response.

I had a family bash that I was supposed to attend today, but when I saw the ÂŁ10 price I thought the club really deserved backing and made my excuses!

Apart from my tenner, I spent ÂŁ20 in the club shop and ÂŁ6 in the concourse. The club shop seemed busy, so I reckon the offer really worked well.

Also on a separate note, I made the switch from the East stand to the North Stand a few years ago and I'm so glad I did. You get such a better view of the game, and can get a far better appreciation of the shape of the team etc. ÂŁ10 was an absolute steal for that view.
 
Well hats off to you 8500 you made a great atmosphere and you got the result you deserved. On another note Karls presence on the touchline did not hinder our current good run without him which is another positive. Very encouraging afternoon!
 
Good performance, first half I thought we were a little sluggish and there was not as much zip to our play as was needed, but then after their excellent equaliser the boys really stepped up and found the extra gear we needed. The penalty miss was a real shocker tho!
A couple of observations:
-Seddon was decent I thought, couple of good interceptions, got forward a bit more than recently, there's certainly a good player there.
-Eastwood's kicking is still not good enough but I'm not sure Stevens is any better! But Easty was solid otherwise, good to have two decent keepers at this level.
-I thought we really missed CamBran in the first half, his drive and thrust would have been great against stubborn opposition. McGuane had a couple of driving runs when he came on so hopefully he'll start building on things and can use the possession as well as Cam does.
-Thought Moore did well (apart from one dreadful pass!) and he seemed to use his head better today, he's so tall but before it seemed like he wasn't as keen to head the ball! But he was very good in the air.
-Good atmosphere and the club shop was doing a roaring trade when we went in, so a good day all round I hope!👍🏽
 
An odd game - when they equalised, I thought they looked the more likely to go on and win it, but McGuane coming on changed the game. He was excellent. Up until then we really missed Brannagan in midfield. Kane wasn't at his best, and part of his game is moving all over the pitch, which is fine when there's Brannagan there to cover. But Henry drifts wide, and we ended up with just Gorrin to counter their entire midfield at times. Good to win that sort of game though - so often we don't.
 
Upthecowboys said:
Yes, it was also ÂŁ10 for them.

I'm pleased the club got such a good response.

I had a family bash that I was supposed to attend today, but when I saw the ÂŁ10 price I thought the club really deserved backing and made my excuses!

Apart from my tenner, I spent ÂŁ20 in the club shop and ÂŁ6 in the concourse. The club shop seemed busy, so I reckon the offer really worked well.

Also on a separate note, I made the switch from the East stand to the North Stand a few years ago and I'm so glad I did. You get such a better view of the game, and can get a far better appreciation of the shape of the team etc. ÂŁ10 was an absolute steal for that view.
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From the East to the North. How could you!! Surely ALWAYS a London Roader.!!
 
Well, I was there, as per usual I don’t agree with some of what’s been said on here, so here’s my opinion for what it’s worth (probably not much)

I felt Morecambe were very poor. Some of their midfielders could barely control the ball and they didn’t offer much apart from a long punt forwards of a hopeful cross. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they’ve lost 8 and won 4, a reversal of our won 8 and lost 4… although the goalscorer, Stockton, seemed to have something about him and their left winger McDonald was also dangerous, so they weren’t absolute no-hopers by any means. After they scored they were a different team for a while, but eventually were well beaten.

We were nowhere near our best however, especially in the first half where our passing was so slow and completely lacked imagination, constantly going backwards. However we did look to be the side who wanted to be on the ball and make things happen, and we got a bit of luck and also had more quality than them in the end.

My player ratings:

Eastwood: 6 - I thought his kicking was terrible, especially in the first half, although it did improve. Nothing he could do about the goal. He’s not as nimble as Stevens but he’s solid enough.

Long: 6 - Not his best game for me, he was done a couple of times and didn’t get forward much. Sykes didn’t always offer him great protection though

Moore: 7 - Solid enough, didn’t seem to want to bring the ball out of defence much but saw a lot of it. One terrible pass nearly put us in trouble, but he’s clearly a decent defender.

Thorniley: 7 - His long passing was hit and miss. Again he had opportunities to bring the ball out from defence but didnt - Rob Atkinson would have had a field day against this Morecambe team. I think we can put to bed the idea that he’s anywhere near his level, but he did his job.

Seddon: 7 - Early on he was offering absolutely nothing defensively, and I was thinking to myself he looks devoid of all confidence, but to be fair to him he was in the right position for the goal, and he actually did very well for the assist as well. Repeatedly finds himself so far up the pitch, which is an attacking threat but means we are very susceptible on the break down his side.

Gorrin: 6 - I just don’t think he was needed at home against a side who were never going to be pressing us with wave after wave of attacks. He ended up having the ball a lot and slowing us down with backwards passes. He did make a couple of good interceptions and he’s definitely worth a place away from home against the better sides. Ballooned an awful shot over the bar from a good position.

Kane: 6.5 - One of his worst games for us, certainly since his recent good form. I think he looks better at the base of midfield, where he can constantly be on the ball and spray it around. At one point he dwelled on the ball far too long in the middle of the park and gave it away. However, he worked ridiculously hard and was everywhere at times, closing down and tracking back. Certainly no lack of effort or desire which was nice to see from a loan player.

Henry: 5.5 - Terrible penalty miss - you have to hit the target at least surely? - and at a stage which would have put Morecambe down, but instead spurred them on. Also shot when a simple pass to Sykes on the right would have seen him in. Wasn’t bad overall without setting the game alight.

Sykes: 5 - I didn’t think he was great yesterday, he looked slow in a position where Morecambe would have been susceptible to pace. His crossing wasn’t bad but nothing special. Did well to be in there for his goal though.

Taylor: 7.5 - A weird one as I thought his general all round play, and build up play, was very poor. He barely won a header, and a couple of times gave the ball away trying to dribble in midfield. However he got two assists and the goal, what more do you want! The second assist especially was a lovely header back across goal, and for his goal it was a great finish. He’s a poacher and on this form will snaffle up any chances you can give him.

Holland: 7 - He looked so dangerous, a complete contrast to our right hand side, as he had pace and wanted to run at the fullback. Twice he cut inside and shot, and really should have done better with one of them. Hopefully the recent flashes he’s shown aren’t his ceiling as if he can keep improving and do it on a regular basis for 90 minutes he will terrorise some fullbacks at this level.

As for the subs, McGuane looked very good when he came on. I’d like to see him get a start soon.
 
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Fleetwood v Wigan
Sheff.Weds v Sunderland
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I’ve been a big fan of Gorrin but, as has been suggested elsewhere, he adds little to our attacking threat on days (like yesterday) when we don’t require extra defensive cover. He lacks the dynamism we require in midfield. In Cam’s absence, i look forward to seeing a Kane/McGuane axis.
 
HampshireYellow said:
Well, I was there, as per usual I don’t agree with some of what’s been said on here, so here’s my opinion for what it’s worth (probably not much)

I felt Morecambe were very poor. Some of their midfielders could barely control the ball and they didn’t offer much apart from a long punt forwards of a hopeful cross. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they’ve lost 8 and won 4, a reversal of our won 8 and lost 4… although the goalscorer, Stockton, seemed to have something about him and their left winger McDonald was also dangerous, so they weren’t absolute no-hopers by any means. After they scored they were a different team for a while, but eventually were well beaten.

We were nowhere near our best however, especially in the first half where our passing was so slow and completely lacked imagination, constantly going backwards. However we did look to be the side who wanted to be on the ball and make things happen, and we got a bit of luck and also had more quality than them in the end.

My player ratings:

Eastwood: 6 - I thought his kicking was terrible, especially in the first half, although it did improve. Nothing he could do about the goal. He’s not as nimble as Stevens but he’s solid enough.

Long: 6 - Not his best game for me, he was done a couple of times and didn’t get forward much. Sykes didn’t always offer him great protection though

Moore: 7 - Solid enough, didn’t seem to want to bring the ball out of defence much but saw a lot of it. One terrible pass nearly put us in trouble, but he’s clearly a decent defender.

Thorniley: 7 - His long passing was hit and miss. Again he had opportunities to bring the ball out from defence but didnt - Rob Atkinson would have had a field day against this Morecambe team. I think we can put to bed the idea that he’s anywhere near his level, but he did his job.

Seddon: 7 - Early on he was offering absolutely nothing defensively, and I was thinking to myself he looks devoid of all confidence, but to be fair to him he was in the right position for the goal, and he actually did very well for the assist as well. Repeatedly finds himself so far up the pitch, which is an attacking threat but means we are very susceptible on the break down his side.

Gorrin: 6 - I just don’t think he was needed at home against a side who were never going to be pressing us with wave after wave of attacks. He ended up having the ball a lot and slowing us down with backwards passes. He did make a couple of good interceptions and he’s definitely worth a place away from home against the better sides. Ballooned an awful shot over the bar from a good position.

Kane: 6.5 - One of his worst games for us, certainly since his recent good form. I think he looks better at the base of midfield, where he can constantly be on the ball and spray it around. At one point he dwelled on the ball far too long in the middle of the park and gave it away. However, he worked ridiculously hard and was everywhere at times, closing down and tracking back. Certainly no lack of effort or desire which was nice to see from a loan player.

Henry: 5.5 - Terrible penalty miss - you have to hit the target at least surely? - and at a stage which would have put Morecambe down, but instead spurred them on. Also shot when a simple pass to Sykes on the right would have seen him in. Wasn’t bad overall without setting the game alight.

Sykes: 5 - I didn’t think he was great yesterday, he looked slow in a position where Morecambe would have been susceptible to pace. His crossing wasn’t bad but nothing special. Did well to be in there for his goal though.

Taylor: 7.5 - A weird one as I thought his general all round play, and build up play, was very poor. He barely won a header, and a couple of times gave the ball away trying to dribble in midfield. However he got two assists and the goal, what more do you want! The second assist especially was a lovely header back across goal, and for his goal it was a great finish. He’s a poacher and on this form will snaffle up any chances you can give him.

Holland: 7 - He looked so dangerous, a complete contrast to our right hand side, as he had pace and wanted to run at the fullback. Twice he cut inside and shot, and really should have done better with one of them. Hopefully the recent flashes he’s shown aren’t his ceiling as if he can keep improving and do it on a regular basis for 90 minutes he will terrorise some fullbacks at this level.

As for the subs, McGuane looked very good when he came on. I’d like to see him get a start soon.
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Well that review drained any positivity from me, you‘re either on a wind up or watched a different game to me.

Morecambe weren’t very poor.
Eastwood’s kicking wasn’t terrible (the ball to Seddon for Sykes goal?!)
Taylor‘s all round play wasn’t very poor, he worked bloody hard with and without the ball and the ovation he got when he came off might just support that view…

We’re not going to ever achieve perfection, enjoy the moment, we won again.
 
Eaststanding said:
Well that review drained any positivity from me, you‘re either on a wind up or watched a different game to me.

Morecambe weren’t very poor.
Eastwood’s kicking wasn’t terrible (the ball to Seddon for Sykes goal?!)
Taylor‘s all round play wasn’t very poor, he worked bloody hard with and without the ball and the ovation he got when he came off might just support that view…

We’re not going to ever achieve perfection, enjoy the moment, we won again.
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How has that drained positivity?! Morecambe were poor for me, I’ve seen way better sides this season. I’m happy we won and I’ve said we were the better team and deserved to win - I’m being more positive than someone who thinks that Oxford United can’t play any better than that! Karl Robinson himself said we didn’t play that great but what’s important is we got the win when not at our best - has he drained you as well? Jesus wept.

That was a good ball to Seddon from Eastwood but his first half kicking was poor.

Taylor worked hard but I thought his all round play wasn’t great - yes he worked hard, I never said he was lazy or didn’t try! And do you seriously think the ovation was specifically for his all round play, or the fact that he scored one and assisted to - I also scored him a 7.5/10 which is excellent!
 
Scotchegg said:
The stadium will cost significantly more than ÂŁ30m and has been entirely budgeted for.

The investment in the playing squad is already there. But, as you keep referencing, we can only spend relevant to our revenue. That's why we have to sell players, so that we can reinvest into more future assets. The more that we progress, the more we are able to reinvest and the more we grow. This will be sustainable growth not quick meaningless money being thrown at the team.

You dismiss the "plans" but is it too difficult to see that if we were promoted this season, and it's far from impossible, then next season is Championship survival. The following season building again to lower mid table. Then midtable and established Championship side with realistic goals of remaining a top 30 club.

Whilst this is happening, we have an organic growth within the fan base supported by days like today, greater community engagement and on the pitch performances. There's absolutely no reason why we couldn't be looking at 10k+ crowds even at the Kassam. Match the growth on the pitch with a new, purpose built, community orientated stadium and an extra couple of thousand fans could easily add to the growth already seen.

You seem determined to look for reasons why things will fail at Oxford, but won't for one second consider the counter argument even when it is so much more rational.
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Coventry are a good example of this
 
bazzer9461 said:
Of course the stadium will cost more than 30 million. If as many believe it’s going to be Stratfield brake there will be the millions needed for at least two other access roads and the cost incurred for the various shut downs of frieze way. So yes a lot more than 30 million will be needed.

I agree selling and reinvesting in players to achieve championship football will probably happen king after you and I have gone but if that’s the way it use to be then so be it and my grandchildren can tell there children/grandchildren n”!it’s been a hell of a long journey started with a 5 year journey over 2 decades ago but we finally got to the championship.

How long have we been trying to get good crowds? When that god awful man Nick Merrybtook over and promised we would own the ground in 3 years no thought crack on I couldn’t see it as I felt admins found to be right that he was nothing more than a spiv.

I did think with Ian Lenagan we might have something but that went in the flute following public fans forum when he said we are on a 5 year journey for the second test running.

Now with Daryl Eales saying he would need help if we got to the championship I though no not with him.

Now Tiger was a different kettle of fish especially n with the the various wealthy members on the board, but when Thohir left to work with the Indonesian government I thought they would be it.
But when he came back and back in March of this year the rumour started over the takeover got me thinking great now it’s going to happen and people on here and FB were all having kittens saying we’re moving this is happening and planning permission will be a doddle but it’s not as easy as that.

I would love nothing more than to see us a successful club, and yes it takes time and a lot of us yourself included have been waiting a very long time. So yes I’m sceptical and will find negatives which others seem to think won’t happen or shouldn’t happen, but I’ve got news for everyone unfortunately there will be.
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Come on Mods, any chance of you directing the traffic - there are 130 pages of talk about takeovers and new grounds on the consortium thread. Do we need Baz and his negative bile infiltrating this thread, too?
 
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